103rd Panzer Bn

jb · Post by jb » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:28 pm

Recently I was looking up the units that fought at Stalingrad 42-43. While going through the German 3rd Inf (Mot), I discovered that in it's OB was the 103rd Pz Bn. All I could get from it was 1 Medium company and 2 light companies.
Would anybody know more about this unit?

bejart7092 · Post by **bejart7092** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:25 pm

On June 28, 1942, the inventory fo the 103rd Panzer Battalion consisted of 10 PzMk II, 35 PzMk III (50 lg), 8 PzMk IV (lg), and 1 Cmd. This according to Nafziger's OB, Panzers and Artillery of WW2, page 262. Doesn't have the breakdown for each company.

Bill
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DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:30 pm

JB, what do you want to know? Tank strength at a particular date? If so, when?

jb · Post by jb » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:55 am

DrBig wrote:JB, what do you want to know? Tank strength at a particular date? If so, when?

Thanks for the replies.
Dr Big, I was actually curious as to the type of vehicles in this unit i.e. were they German,chzech,french??,Stugs? didn't know,and I couldn't find out. Time frame, I assume the unit was started up in 06-42,But I would like to know all you have on this unit.
Thanks

RoughRIder · Post by **RoughRIder** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:23 am

JB... also found this out for you in HEIMDAL - Panzertruppen.

-Pz.Abt.103 :
5 avril 1942, anÃ©antie Ã Stalingrad, reconstituÃ©e le
11 fÃ©vrier 1943 et attribuÃ©e Ã la 3. Inf.Div. (mot).
5 April 1942, totally lost at Stalingrad, reactivated on
11 February 1943 and allocated to 3. Inf.Div, (mot.).

Not much again, but thought that you would want to see dates.

RoughRider

Gort · Post by **Gort** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:40 pm

I found a handful of pics in the Panzer Colors books of 1st Company. It shows them equipped with PzIIIL, winter whitewash over gray, company commanders' tank numbered 100 in small black numerals, division insignia on forward turret side in red.

Hope this is helpful.

regards,

Steve

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:35 pm

Well jb, it was activated on 05APR42, and was previously III./Pz.Rgt.18 (18PD). At the time of the Russian counteroffensive, it had 7 x IV & 22 x III remaining. There is a book of the unit called "3.Infanterie-Division" prepared by veterans in 1960. All records of the divison's participation in the Sep-Nov battles in the city were destroyed. The unit is mentioned in the 6th Army records which did survive and can be ordered from the National Archives or viewed at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg. 6th Army situation maps depict the division & the 103rd deployments in this time period. Available in mediocre quality microfiche from NARA, but the color originals are again in the BA-Freiburg, which is a lovely city to visit.

jb · Post by jb » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:10 am

Thanks for the replies guys.
I don't know why but this seems to be an obsession with me when I get some different info on units at Stalingrad

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:49 am

It's quiet understandable. It was a very important battle, most of the documentation was either destroyed or hidden, and nearly every important book on the subject has not been published in English. It's quite frustrating.

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:55 am

Bejart, does your Nafziger book mention if the 3rd had a Selp Propelled AT battery? Perhaps with Marders?

bejart7092 · Post by **bejart7092** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:44 am

Mark ---
Nafziger has 2 companies of 6 75mm Pak 40's in each, probably Marder III M's, in the 3rd Pzjager Bn.

You had me wondering about this as well.
Bill
PS. Sorry about the delay in replying.