True the designs are not free. Maybe the point wasn't made as clearly as it could have been. The main idea that was trying to be made is that our customers are not going to see fewer releases because of the Wermacht '47- there are actual going to be more.
Everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they want. That includes companies. Don't worry, no one here at GHQ is going to force anyone to buy any of the Weracht '47 line if they don't want to. It's great that GHQ has some customers who are so enthusiastic about our existing lines that they don't want to see any resources put into something new. That is a good thing- we are happy about that. When we released modern Micro Armour over 30 years ago, our WWII line had countless gaping holes. Many of the nationalities that we offer now did not even exist in our line. We only offered about 50-60 packs across all nationalities in our ENTIRE WWII line. At that time we decided to go into modern. We never took a formal poll and let all of our customers have a vote before we launched the new line. There is a good chance that ALMOST ALL of our customers would have liked to see us concentrate all of our efforts on filling the mammoth holes in our WWII line. After all at that point we only offered WWII so every one of our customers was obviously heavily interested in WWII. We decided to go into the moderns, we have stayed committed to them, and will continue to do so.
Launching the Wermacht '47 line may not be exactly the same situation, but we are sure that you get the idea here. Whenever we have tried new things over the years- Modern Micro Armour, Napoleonic era Micronauts, WWII Micronauts, Modern Micronauts, Great War Micronauts, 10mm American Civil War, 10mm Napoleonic, etc.- we don't just jump in on a whim. Trust us, we have a very good understanding of what our expenses are, what our sales have been on existing items, and most importantly we don't like to waste money.
The debate was over long before we made the announcement... the Wermacht '47 line is coming. Ultimately all of you get the most important vote of all. If you want it, then vote with your dollars and buy it when it comes this winter, if you don't want it, then your vote is even easier.
Once again we would like to thank all of you who have contacted us to say that you are excited about the Wermacht '47 line. We would also like to thank those of you who have taken the time to make arguments (sometimes emotionally) against the line. obviously you really care about GHQ and our products.
Thanks to all of you for your continued support,
GHQ
Infantry Suggestion while shaking my head
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tstockton
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GHQ said:
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I guess the bottom line is -- if "youze guys" make it in 1:285 scale, I'll probably buy it!!
Regards,
Tom Stockton
Unfortunately, my interests are severly limited by the amount of available, disposable income I have. Otherwise, I'd also be buying ACW and Napoleonics and Micronauts and the 1:1200 sailing ships and... uh, did I miss anything? BTW, I also have a couple of your HO scale "model railroad" items, along with my "hordes" of Micro Armor (at my last count, approaching 3000 units -- with only a few dozen painted, but I'll get around to them, that's another story...Then again, most of the products that we make don't fit everyone's interests.
)I guess the bottom line is -- if "youze guys" make it in 1:285 scale, I'll probably buy it!!
Regards,
Tom Stockton
"Well, I've been to one World's Fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones. You sure you got today's codes?"
-- Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove"
-- Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove"
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Bottom Line
The actual bottom line is - the decision is made. All other commentary is futile. Geeze, sounds like my own company. No matter how much sense you make Bill, we are going through with our plan. I have a poster hanging over my desk which reads:
Don't ask for my opinion if you intend to ignore it.
Oye
Don't ask for my opinion if you intend to ignore it.
Oye
"I was worse scared than I was at Shiloh" - Sam Watkins
Perryville, KY - October 8, 1862
Perryville, KY - October 8, 1862
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CBoy3
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I look at a lot of bulletin boards/forums for a lot of different things. One thing that I really like about this one is the friendly tone that usually goes on. Having said that I really don't want to start a flame war with anyone, but sometimes it helps to have things pointed out. The massive size of the egos that sometimes pop up is amazing. Maybe I'm more sensitive to this situation because I work for a small-ish manufacturing company and have some insight into the process of product development. The WM 1947 stuff would not be my top choice, but as someone who is interested in WWII and has read about some of the things that were in the works when the war ended, it could be very interesting for me. It seems like a lot of this topic is written by about 3-4 people who obviously aren't interested in the WM stuff. It seems like GHQ has been pretty open about this new stuff, and the whole process for picking new items. Maybe you don't like it, but for anyone who has any experience with product development and manufacturing, its hard to pull the plug or make soome major changes on some products that have been in the development process for awhile (I think that it was mentioned that these have been planned for a few years). All in all it looks like GHQ has been more open with how they do things and to suggestions than most companies. The new items that have been added in the last couple weeks do nothing for me (I think sailing ships and civil war packs), but I bet that they have made some people happy. Thats OK with me. Someone recently made a comment about not wanting to give their opinion if it wasn't going to be used. Maybe I didn't get the call or e-mail, but I didn't get asked for mine. I really don't want to get into anything over this, but sometimes it seems like some perspective is lost when the new items list comes out. I think that I will tune out for awhile and come back after this has died down. Good luck.
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What has me shaking my head is that so many people seem to be tied down by history, thought I was bad. Has no one ever played a game of Kursk where the Germans won, or gamed out the planned invasion of Japan? Sounds to me like there a lot of boring games being run out there if they all have to be historically accurate.
I for one would be interested in seeing a game where Patton's War with the Russians had occured, with the Germans as allies. It would be great fun I think.
And, yes (to the GHQ staff) please stay away from the fanciful stuff Hitler"s "scientists" dreamed up just so he would not shoot them. Sound cannons, oy!
I for one would be interested in seeing a game where Patton's War with the Russians had occured, with the Germans as allies. It would be great fun I think.
And, yes (to the GHQ staff) please stay away from the fanciful stuff Hitler"s "scientists" dreamed up just so he would not shoot them. Sound cannons, oy!
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*Taking a dip in the sarcasm pool*
Well, I guess I have to stop buying GHQ if they INSIST on building models I don't want.
*Climbing out and drying off*
Seriously, hasn't this horse been beaten enough? If you don't like it, don't buy the WM47 line. I don't like modern stuff, and I don't buy it, but I don't whine and moan for five pages about it!
Well, I guess I have to stop buying GHQ if they INSIST on building models I don't want.
*Climbing out and drying off*
Seriously, hasn't this horse been beaten enough? If you don't like it, don't buy the WM47 line. I don't like modern stuff, and I don't buy it, but I don't whine and moan for five pages about it!
I wish I had something witty to say...
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Gentlemen,
As I've stated earlier -- if it's GHQ's 1:285 scale micro armor, I'll probably buy it!
But I am very curious to find out the "rationale" behind it -- not the marketing part, but what I will call the "what if" factor... Is this line going to be strictly from plans that were "on the drawing board" but never made it into production? Is there an "alternate history" behind it? How extensive is the line going to be (although I would assume that how well the first offerings sell could really influence the line's future growth)? How many nations will be represented in the line?
I admit that I enjoy the branch of sci-fi that falls into the line of "alternative history" -- and in particular, Harry Turtledove's works. I find them fascinating!
And in my experiences in the world of collecting 1:1200 / 1:1250 ships, I've seen (somewhat) the same discussions -- such as "why are you making models of the "H" class and the MONTANA and etc., when there are so many existing ships that have never been modeled" and "I won't buy any of that stuff because it didn't exist in the real world", etc., etc., etc. Which is all fine and good... To me, the bottom line is -- if you don't want it, then don't buy it. And if enough people "don't buy it" -- then manufacturers will quit making it.
Another point I've learned about (from my ship collecting) -- the creation of these miniatures -- of many, if not most miniatures -- is the expression of an artist, making a model of something that is in the artist's mind -- and is often done mainly for the artist's love of creating the art. These models just happen to be in a medium that lends itself to being able to be reproduced and shared with others who have a similar "eye" for the subject matter, but quite possibly not the talent to produce the models for themselves. And if the artist can make a profit from his or her works, then all the better -- because then the artist can devote less time into "making a living", and more time into creating more "works of art".
Something for y'all to think about...
Okay, I'll get off my soap box now...
Regards,
Tom Stockton
As I've stated earlier -- if it's GHQ's 1:285 scale micro armor, I'll probably buy it!
But I am very curious to find out the "rationale" behind it -- not the marketing part, but what I will call the "what if" factor... Is this line going to be strictly from plans that were "on the drawing board" but never made it into production? Is there an "alternate history" behind it? How extensive is the line going to be (although I would assume that how well the first offerings sell could really influence the line's future growth)? How many nations will be represented in the line?
I admit that I enjoy the branch of sci-fi that falls into the line of "alternative history" -- and in particular, Harry Turtledove's works. I find them fascinating!
And in my experiences in the world of collecting 1:1200 / 1:1250 ships, I've seen (somewhat) the same discussions -- such as "why are you making models of the "H" class and the MONTANA and etc., when there are so many existing ships that have never been modeled" and "I won't buy any of that stuff because it didn't exist in the real world", etc., etc., etc. Which is all fine and good... To me, the bottom line is -- if you don't want it, then don't buy it. And if enough people "don't buy it" -- then manufacturers will quit making it.
Another point I've learned about (from my ship collecting) -- the creation of these miniatures -- of many, if not most miniatures -- is the expression of an artist, making a model of something that is in the artist's mind -- and is often done mainly for the artist's love of creating the art. These models just happen to be in a medium that lends itself to being able to be reproduced and shared with others who have a similar "eye" for the subject matter, but quite possibly not the talent to produce the models for themselves. And if the artist can make a profit from his or her works, then all the better -- because then the artist can devote less time into "making a living", and more time into creating more "works of art".
Something for y'all to think about...
Okay, I'll get off my soap box now...
Regards,
Tom Stockton
"Well, I've been to one World's Fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones. You sure you got today's codes?"
-- Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove"
-- Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove"
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If the line includes vehicles similar to "Dust Tactics", then I would be interested. The "Dust Tactics" WWII-style mechs look great! But they're for use with 25mm figures (the DT game system is compatible with AT-43).
But if the line is simply overweight German tanks that barely got off the drawing board, then I really don't see much to be excited about.
But if the line is simply overweight German tanks that barely got off the drawing board, then I really don't see much to be excited about.
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QUOTE GHQ:Overall we are extremely open, and responisive, to criticism. If we make a mistake, then we correct it.
Just a question regarding UK Infantry...The 51mm OLM 2-inch Infantry mortar is dipicted in all infantry packs except the Paras, as a us 60mm or some such weapon. Will this change in future or should I just scratchbuild?
Thanks,
Troy
Just a question regarding UK Infantry...The 51mm OLM 2-inch Infantry mortar is dipicted in all infantry packs except the Paras, as a us 60mm or some such weapon. Will this change in future or should I just scratchbuild?
Thanks,
Troy
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Infantry
Hey Troy and the rest of the gang
I also have the same complaint about the British not having the correct light mortar depicted in the weapons packs. I don't know if there were any 60mm U.S. mortars available through lend lease or not or when they were availbable.
By the way, it would be very nice to get the medium and heavy mortars redone sometime as well for all the various nationalities. Right now, if you want 82mm and 120mm Russian mortars you can get them in the "old" weapons packs but all the crew are in winter dress. I would like to see a new medium and heavy mortar pack with 3 or 4 man crews and maybe some F.O.s with radio operators as well for all the nationalites that had them. How about it GHQ?
Yes I know - Just another spoiled mortar seeker.
Pete, Binpicker, Out!
I also have the same complaint about the British not having the correct light mortar depicted in the weapons packs. I don't know if there were any 60mm U.S. mortars available through lend lease or not or when they were availbable.
By the way, it would be very nice to get the medium and heavy mortars redone sometime as well for all the various nationalities. Right now, if you want 82mm and 120mm Russian mortars you can get them in the "old" weapons packs but all the crew are in winter dress. I would like to see a new medium and heavy mortar pack with 3 or 4 man crews and maybe some F.O.s with radio operators as well for all the nationalites that had them. How about it GHQ?
Yes I know - Just another spoiled mortar seeker.
Pete, Binpicker, Out!
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Interesting.
I don't have any of the Brit infantry; been sticking to Ostfront for many years.
Long ago when some friends & I were re-enacting as WW2 Brits., we did a lot of research on lend-lease weapons. I recall that Commandos and I believe Paras were the only ones in ETO that did get some US 60mm mortars instead of that "Stokes thing"
Makes it a bit backward, eh?
JimR
I don't have any of the Brit infantry; been sticking to Ostfront for many years.
Long ago when some friends & I were re-enacting as WW2 Brits., we did a lot of research on lend-lease weapons. I recall that Commandos and I believe Paras were the only ones in ETO that did get some US 60mm mortars instead of that "Stokes thing"
Makes it a bit backward, eh?
JimR