How big is your battlefield?

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I use a ping-pong table for wargaming.

Regulation tables are 9 ft by 5 ft. I find the 5ft width is about the limit of comfortable reach. We usually don't use the full 9ft length -- reserving about 1ft on either side for "margin" to hold charts, beer, etc.

I game 1-to-1 unit scale. I like to have several Kms of range in which to maneuver. I used to game at 1/300 ground scale. At that scale, it took a whole garage floor to get a 3000m range. I was always unsatisfied with this. Gaming at 1/1000 or 1/2000 ground scale works much better, even if there are the anamolies of farm houses that are 200m long and dirt roads that are 100m wide. At 1/2000 (1 inch ~ 50m, 1ft ~ 600m), that gives me an area that is about 30-35sqKm, with defenders wrestling with how to cover a front that may be 3 to 5km.

Here are two pictures from a wargame on my table two months ago.

I like to have the "context" that a larger area provides:
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Even though most of the action may take place in a small area:
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In this case, I was defending the board from the center, but did not know which direction my opponant would come from. That makes an interesting challenge.

After all, most of a commander's job is getting the right forces to the right place at the right time. Economy of force, maneuver, mobility, reconnaissance ... these critical military concerns have no meaning if wargaming is based on balanced forces ready to start throwing dice at each other on turn 1.
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Mark 1,
I game 1-to-1 unit scale. I like to have several Kms of range in which to maneuver. I used to game at 1/300 ground scale. At that scale, it took a whole garage floor to get a 3000m range. I was always unsatisfied with this. Gaming at 1/1000 or 1/2000 ground scale works much better, even if there are the anamolies of farm houses that are 200m long and dirt roads that are 100m wide.
Your comments got me to thinking about a time (far too long ago!) when some friends and I did naval gaming using 1:1200 scale ships. To try to get things "to fit", we usually gamed at 1" = 100 yards... (We always used the tip of the bow to determine where a ship was.) Anyway, at various times, we thought about trying to rent a local gymnasium to try to get to scale. But as I recall, we figured out that with a horizon at 24,000 yards (on a clear, calm day), we would need 60' just to reach that range; and as we gamed World War II actions, many (if not most) guns of 6" caliber and larger reached at least that far. And if I also recall correctly, some of the biggest guns reached out to nearly twice that distance. So every time we really got to thinking about it... before long, we'd just sigh and accept our shorter -- but much more manageable -- distances.

Now, with that "compression", and with battleships that were 6" - 9" long, sailing in a "line ahead" formation, we often had ships that were nearly 10,000 yards apart in a line -- not very realistic! But it didn't seem to matter a whole lot to us... we sure did have a lot of fun with those ships and imaginary battles!

Guess there's not a "perfect" solution, is there?... unless you wanted to use some of those 1:6000 scale ships that are out there...

And we think we have it "bad" at 1:285 -- what about those FoW guys!?

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tstockton said:
Your comments got me to thinking about a time (far too long ago!) when ... we thought about trying to rent a local gymnasium to try to get to scale. But as I recall, we figured out that with a horizon at 24,000 yards (on a clear, calm day), we would need 60' just to reach that range....
He he he. Rent a Gym. Yeah, we thought of that too. Well, use a gym, at least, if not rent one. We used to walk around the gym of my Jr High School and daydream about the tank battles we could hold. So so long ago... :)

When I first started wargaming, as a lad of 14, with some GHQ micros and WRG's rules from a local hobby shop, I knew of no experienced gamers to provide guidance. I, and a group of buddies, developed our own approaches in complete isolation. Didn't even know that there were wargaming magazines to read. Just the rules.

The WRG rules provided all the charts in meters. There was a brief mention of ground scale in the introduction, but we passed over that without giving it too much thought. My first measuring instrument was the mathemetician's compass from my school kit -- opened to about 84mm to represent 25m at 1/300. We used to walk the compass across loooonnnng distances to take a shot. I can remember cutting cardboard strips to 84mm lengths so we could lay out a path from shooter to target. Never even occured to us to try a tape measure! :roll:

We used to play in the dirt of the back yard. Made our terrain out of the real terra-firma. We had a small sand plot in my back yard, but we could never get more than 1500m of range given its size. So we devised all kinds of fancifull terrain -- dirt-walled forts with moats, AT ditches dug with pocket-knife to 2 or 3 inch depths, carboard "bunkers" buried in the sand... But my buddy Greg's whole back yard was just flat dirt. We could get 3,000m or more if we used it. Oy, how he loved his 88's. Oy, how I hated them! But I was always the innovator, bringing such clever ideas as infantry and artillery into our battles (after figuring out how to mail-order them from the UK), and scratch-building my own aircraft with card stock and putty. Always had trouble as the day wore on into evening, and the light started to fade, but as die-hards we were not ready to call our game. Lost innumerable turrets that way.

It was only when I reached adulthood and bought my first home that I started to use the garage floor for wargaming. By that time (mid-1980s) it was all moderns. Oh the days of crawling around on the floor pushing pewter, hoping like heck no one stepped on anything of value as a M60 / M113 company combat team faced off against a battalion of Soviet Motor Rifles in BTR-60s with a company of T-62s in support! 8) Now we had lighting, and the battle could run all day AND all night! :D

But then, over the years, garage floor space became increasingly covered with tricycles and boxes of last year's toys. And my knees became less and less happy with the process of crawling around. And wargaming became rare. But now, with a Ping-pong table in the garage, I am ready for wargaming again at half-an-hour's notice!

Of course, if I was still using true ground scale, I'd be daft to put 5 tanks on the board. But over the same periods of time I've managed to find other gamers, in person at hobby shops, in articles from magazines, and online from chat groups and now forums, from whom I have learned that it is indeed possible (and even normal!) to use 1/300 models at 1/1000 or 1/2000 ground scale.

Makes it all so much simpler.
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6'x8' max. It's got a 2' plug running long ways, so most of the time it's 4'x8'. Sometimes only use 4'x6' and have the rest for charts, coffee etc. For modern tanks and ships we use the full table.

Ground scale used for the tanks is 1:2000th (1"=50yds roughly, or 25mm=50m exactly(ish)). Ground scale for the ships is 4" or 8" (sometimes 2" with the 1:6000) to the mile, depending on the visibility and location.

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So far I have two 2x2 boards. I will make a few more but since I have 10 tanks and only 1/2 ov them are painted, I am in no rush. For 1000 point MMA skirmishes, a 2 by 4 playing surface is fine.
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This a 4' x 4' terrain board under construction for a historical battle. The brown areas are going to be dense snow covered pine forest, and the sand and olive areas are going to get a light dusting of snow. The area in the lower right is a marshy area and there will be a small farming village in the lower left. The ground scale is about 1" = 100m

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