I was going to take a cheaper approach. I already have Bismarck and Tirpitz. Each has six 15" turrets in the package. Threfore, GHQ has already supplied what I need for the conversion.
Don Scheef
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Donald,
Thanks for coordinating this effort, and bringing all our posts together. I've added justifications to my selections below:
WWI:
UK HMS Otranto (AMC) - she was present in the Battle of Coronel in 1915, she also had sisters.
UK HMS Canopus (B) - large class of pre-dreadnoughts that served actively before the war. Canopus was supposed to be at the Battle of Coronel and was present at the Battle of the Falklands. Pre-dreadnoughts are grossly under represented.
UK HMS Monmouth (CA) - Present at the Battle of Coronel, large class of cruisers that saw much active patrol service.
GE SMS Frankfurt (CL) - Present at the Battle of Jutland with sister Weisbaden in the scouting forces and a beautiful ship.
GE SMS Koln (CL) - Present at the Battle of Heligoland in 1914 with sister Mainz.
GE U-31 Type (SS) - standard and numerous type u-boat, good representative for WWI
WWII:
UK HMS Kent (CA) - five built to this design, desparately needed for British heavy cruiser force, saw extensive service before and during WWII
UK A/B Class (DD) - first of the modern DD's and saw extensive service in WWII
UK Tanker - how can Britain not have a tanker?! These were VITAL to her war effort and any representation will correct this so I don't care which one gets built, just do it.
GE Deutschland/Lutzow (CA) - Very different from Spee and Scheer as originally configured and saw active service throughout the war.
GE Mowe (TBD) Six in class, saw extensive service from the beginning to the end.
GE Type XIV Milk Cow (SS) - At least 10 were built, vital to resupply the Type IX boats of the long range U-Flotille's from 1941 on. I'd be happy with this or the Type X boats that also served in this role.
FR Bretagne (BB) - Have only one old French BB, this would give us two more to hand over to the Germans or Vichy when France falls.
IT 600 Series (SS) - as noted elsewhere, would be an excellent choice with 59 built, and how can we wage war in the Med without them?
IT Freighter (small to midsized) Need something for the Italians to form their convoys to North Africa with for those all important Med battles.
DU K-XIV (SS) - Good Dutch sub that saw extensive service in WWII - especially in the Pacific
US T2 Tanker - Great addition to those Atlantic convoys, and a favorite of u-boats.
US Transport (midsized) - any will do, just need something to get those over-paid, and over-s-xed GI's over there!
JA Hosho (CVE) - Present at Battle of Midway, last of the pre-war carriers
JA Taiyo (CVE) - 3 built, saw some active service
JA Tanker - Just as Britain needs 'em, so do the Japanese, gotta get that oil back home, and US subs need something to shoot at.
Modern:
UK HMS Hermes (CVH) - Falklands War - extensive imperial service, now used by the Indians, create her with a separate ski jump and we can use her for many more carriers as well
UK County Class (DD) - Falklands War - extensive fleet service, and beautiful design
UK HMS Argonaut (FF) Leander Batch 2 - Falklands War - extensive fleet service, in use by many different countries
UK Valiant Class (SSN) - Falklands War - extensive imperial service
UK HMS Fearless (LPD) - Falklands War, Persian Gulf War, extensive imperial service, beautiful ship
UK HMS Sir Bedivere (LST) - Falklands War, Persian Gulf War, extensive imperial service
UK Fort Class (AO) - Falklands War, Persian Gulf War, extensive fleet service
UK Land-based air 70's (Vulcans, Canberras, Phantoms, Nimrods) - Falklands War
AR Veinticinco de Mayo (CVL) - Falklands War, Colossus Class CVL, can represent many different carriers in the post war world
AR General Belgrano (CL) - Falklands War, could be a simple conversion from existing model
AR Sumner Class FRAM (DD) - Falklands War, everyone used them, too many to count
AR Gearing Class FRAM2 (DD) - Falklands War, everyone used them, too many to count
AR A69 Class (FF) - Falklands War
AR Z-28 Class (PC) - Falklands War
AR Santa Fe (SS) - Falklands War
AR Aircraft (A-4, Mirage III, Mirage F1, Super Etendard, Pumas, Trackers,...) - Falklands War, many other countries used these
Chris
Thanks for coordinating this effort, and bringing all our posts together. I've added justifications to my selections below:
WWI:
UK HMS Otranto (AMC) - she was present in the Battle of Coronel in 1915, she also had sisters.
UK HMS Canopus (B) - large class of pre-dreadnoughts that served actively before the war. Canopus was supposed to be at the Battle of Coronel and was present at the Battle of the Falklands. Pre-dreadnoughts are grossly under represented.
UK HMS Monmouth (CA) - Present at the Battle of Coronel, large class of cruisers that saw much active patrol service.
GE SMS Frankfurt (CL) - Present at the Battle of Jutland with sister Weisbaden in the scouting forces and a beautiful ship.
GE SMS Koln (CL) - Present at the Battle of Heligoland in 1914 with sister Mainz.
GE U-31 Type (SS) - standard and numerous type u-boat, good representative for WWI
WWII:
UK HMS Kent (CA) - five built to this design, desparately needed for British heavy cruiser force, saw extensive service before and during WWII
UK A/B Class (DD) - first of the modern DD's and saw extensive service in WWII
UK Tanker - how can Britain not have a tanker?! These were VITAL to her war effort and any representation will correct this so I don't care which one gets built, just do it.
GE Deutschland/Lutzow (CA) - Very different from Spee and Scheer as originally configured and saw active service throughout the war.
GE Mowe (TBD) Six in class, saw extensive service from the beginning to the end.
GE Type XIV Milk Cow (SS) - At least 10 were built, vital to resupply the Type IX boats of the long range U-Flotille's from 1941 on. I'd be happy with this or the Type X boats that also served in this role.
FR Bretagne (BB) - Have only one old French BB, this would give us two more to hand over to the Germans or Vichy when France falls.
IT 600 Series (SS) - as noted elsewhere, would be an excellent choice with 59 built, and how can we wage war in the Med without them?
IT Freighter (small to midsized) Need something for the Italians to form their convoys to North Africa with for those all important Med battles.
DU K-XIV (SS) - Good Dutch sub that saw extensive service in WWII - especially in the Pacific
US T2 Tanker - Great addition to those Atlantic convoys, and a favorite of u-boats.
US Transport (midsized) - any will do, just need something to get those over-paid, and over-s-xed GI's over there!
JA Hosho (CVE) - Present at Battle of Midway, last of the pre-war carriers
JA Taiyo (CVE) - 3 built, saw some active service
JA Tanker - Just as Britain needs 'em, so do the Japanese, gotta get that oil back home, and US subs need something to shoot at.
Modern:
UK HMS Hermes (CVH) - Falklands War - extensive imperial service, now used by the Indians, create her with a separate ski jump and we can use her for many more carriers as well
UK County Class (DD) - Falklands War - extensive fleet service, and beautiful design
UK HMS Argonaut (FF) Leander Batch 2 - Falklands War - extensive fleet service, in use by many different countries
UK Valiant Class (SSN) - Falklands War - extensive imperial service
UK HMS Fearless (LPD) - Falklands War, Persian Gulf War, extensive imperial service, beautiful ship
UK HMS Sir Bedivere (LST) - Falklands War, Persian Gulf War, extensive imperial service
UK Fort Class (AO) - Falklands War, Persian Gulf War, extensive fleet service
UK Land-based air 70's (Vulcans, Canberras, Phantoms, Nimrods) - Falklands War
AR Veinticinco de Mayo (CVL) - Falklands War, Colossus Class CVL, can represent many different carriers in the post war world
AR General Belgrano (CL) - Falklands War, could be a simple conversion from existing model
AR Sumner Class FRAM (DD) - Falklands War, everyone used them, too many to count
AR Gearing Class FRAM2 (DD) - Falklands War, everyone used them, too many to count
AR A69 Class (FF) - Falklands War
AR Z-28 Class (PC) - Falklands War
AR Santa Fe (SS) - Falklands War
AR Aircraft (A-4, Mirage III, Mirage F1, Super Etendard, Pumas, Trackers,...) - Falklands War, many other countries used these
Chris
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Well, someone quoted me off another thread, so I though I would try to justify my picks and add a few more. These are all WW2.
UK
O-P-Q-R-S class DDs - these are the standard war-built British DDs. Very active with Home Fleet in defense of Artic convoys (Barents Sea anyone). This model would cover the greatest amount of British Destroyers that can't be faked by another model.
L-M class DDs (maybe even the 4 L's equipped with 4" AA). Again, another destroyer class that saw a lot of action. Llarger than J-K-N classes, with guns in full DP turrets.
N class (take the J-K model and put the second bank of torpedoes back in. This should be feasible, as the new 'E' class looks like a re-worked 'H' class model. These three classes started with 2 torpedo mounts, lost one for a 4"AA (GHQ's model), then regained the second torpedo mount as the Allies gained air superiority.
Black Swan class sloops - Just an example (and a pretty one) of the myriad classes of convoy escorts the RN developed during the war.
CL Enterprise - looks cool, participated in surface action in Bay of Biscay with HMS Glasgow, where the pair of them beat up on a mixed force of German DDs and TBs.
Australia/Canberra CAs - useful for battles around G-** CENSORED **, like Savo. Should be a conversion of the existing Suffolk model, so easy to produce (?)
Germans
CA Hipper - Very active (Norway, Atlantic, Artic - Barent Sea), despite her crappy engines. Different enough from PE to warrant a different model (from the company that makes 4 different South Dakota class BBs and is coming out with its third Brooklyn class model). And it's a German mini, so of course it will sell.
CA Scheer (or a Lutzow) without the armored pyramid superstructure of the Graf Spee. Both these ships were more active than GS (neither having being sunk in 1939
). Again, more ships with which to hunt Artic Convoys, and it's got the "German mini appeal" thing going for it.
BB Gneisnau - if you have a Scharnhorst, how can you not have its partner in crime? They look so pretty together.
T-boots (Mowe/Wulf class, T1-21 class, T22 class) - GHQ currently makes no German TBs, so any of these classes would be helpful. I would choose the Mowe/Wulf classes, since they participated in the entire war. T1-T21 classes were used early, then withdrawn for being under-gunned. T22+ class would be good as well, as they saw heavy surface late in the war.
S-boots - Heck, they make PT boats, why not the much larger S-boat?
Italian
Pola - can't do Cape Matapan without her, and it should be a conversion of an existing model.
More destroyers - one can never have enough types of DDs. Maybe the Dardo?
Soviet (yeah, I like the Red Navy. Quit laughing).
Type 7U destroyers - improved versions of the Type 7 already available.
Lenin class DD leaders - Something different than the T7/7U classes, older and funky in that way only Soviet ships could be.
Tashkent - yes they only made one, but she is beautiful in the way that only Italian-built ships (or women) can be.
US - the US listing is so extensive that I think GHQ should declare a moratorium on new models. Not that they'll listen, I'm sure they sell more US stuff than anything else.
Polish
Blyskewica/Grom class DDs - saw extensive service with the RN. Unfortunately only two in the class (although 4 were planned).
Mark
UK
O-P-Q-R-S class DDs - these are the standard war-built British DDs. Very active with Home Fleet in defense of Artic convoys (Barents Sea anyone). This model would cover the greatest amount of British Destroyers that can't be faked by another model.
L-M class DDs (maybe even the 4 L's equipped with 4" AA). Again, another destroyer class that saw a lot of action. Llarger than J-K-N classes, with guns in full DP turrets.
N class (take the J-K model and put the second bank of torpedoes back in. This should be feasible, as the new 'E' class looks like a re-worked 'H' class model. These three classes started with 2 torpedo mounts, lost one for a 4"AA (GHQ's model), then regained the second torpedo mount as the Allies gained air superiority.
Black Swan class sloops - Just an example (and a pretty one) of the myriad classes of convoy escorts the RN developed during the war.
CL Enterprise - looks cool, participated in surface action in Bay of Biscay with HMS Glasgow, where the pair of them beat up on a mixed force of German DDs and TBs.
Australia/Canberra CAs - useful for battles around G-** CENSORED **, like Savo. Should be a conversion of the existing Suffolk model, so easy to produce (?)
Germans
CA Hipper - Very active (Norway, Atlantic, Artic - Barent Sea), despite her crappy engines. Different enough from PE to warrant a different model (from the company that makes 4 different South Dakota class BBs and is coming out with its third Brooklyn class model). And it's a German mini, so of course it will sell.
CA Scheer (or a Lutzow) without the armored pyramid superstructure of the Graf Spee. Both these ships were more active than GS (neither having being sunk in 1939
). Again, more ships with which to hunt Artic Convoys, and it's got the "German mini appeal" thing going for it.BB Gneisnau - if you have a Scharnhorst, how can you not have its partner in crime? They look so pretty together.
T-boots (Mowe/Wulf class, T1-21 class, T22 class) - GHQ currently makes no German TBs, so any of these classes would be helpful. I would choose the Mowe/Wulf classes, since they participated in the entire war. T1-T21 classes were used early, then withdrawn for being under-gunned. T22+ class would be good as well, as they saw heavy surface late in the war.
S-boots - Heck, they make PT boats, why not the much larger S-boat?
Italian
Pola - can't do Cape Matapan without her, and it should be a conversion of an existing model.
More destroyers - one can never have enough types of DDs. Maybe the Dardo?
Soviet (yeah, I like the Red Navy. Quit laughing).
Type 7U destroyers - improved versions of the Type 7 already available.
Lenin class DD leaders - Something different than the T7/7U classes, older and funky in that way only Soviet ships could be.
Tashkent - yes they only made one, but she is beautiful in the way that only Italian-built ships (or women) can be.
US - the US listing is so extensive that I think GHQ should declare a moratorium on new models. Not that they'll listen, I'm sure they sell more US stuff than anything else.
Polish
Blyskewica/Grom class DDs - saw extensive service with the RN. Unfortunately only two in the class (although 4 were planned).
Mark