...some SU-s & Ka-s would really be nice...Donald M. Scheef wrote:The deck looks very impressive but somewhat bare. Have you given any thought about aircraft?
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Do you have the Modern Russian Tactical Strike pack from our gracious hosts? It has 10 x MiG-29 “Fulcrumâ€, 10 x Su-27 “Flanker†and 15 x Su-25 “Frogfootâ€. IIRC the Su-27 in the pack actually has the canards (making it the Su-27K/Su-33) and is perfect for Kuznetsov. I used it for my model and it dressed up the otherwise bland model very nicely.
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If the 'Su-27' in HSN12 have canards, then they would be perfect for Kuznetzov. In this scale, any differences between 1990-era and 2010-era versions would be almost invisible.
In 1/2400 scale, an average-height person is less than 1/32 of an inch (0.7 mm) high. I don't think anyone has ever tried to duplicate individuals in this scale.
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In 1/2400 scale, an average-height person is less than 1/32 of an inch (0.7 mm) high. I don't think anyone has ever tried to duplicate individuals in this scale.
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All of the GHQ Soviet strike package are naval aircraft. If you look closely you can see the Mig 29K has canards just like the Su 27K. When the Kuznetsov first deployed she carried both Mig 29K and Su 27K. The Su25 is naval also although I don't think there is any visible difference, in 1/2400 scale, between the land based and the naval variant. As far as I know all of the Russian/Soviet helicopters that GHQ makes are Ka-27 Helix. Look closely, if they only have two vertical stabilizers they are Ka-27, if three they are Ka-25. On the other hand I read that the Russians are talking about buying more Mig 29K(?), or at least a naval variant of the Mig 29, to replace Kuznetsov's Su 27. The Indians are buying Mig 29s for the carrier the Russians are rebuilding to their specifications so it would be cheaper for the Russians ... or maybe it's so the Indian buy will be cheaper?jb wrote:I don't believe I do, but I do have Ka-25s (? could possibly pass for the newer ones in this scale) from other Russian ships...
What about the deck crews? Any ideas on how to represent them? That would be
Crew?
In 1/2400 a man is 0.75mm in height. You want something very thin, possible 0.25mm thick styrene card? Or better Evergreen plastic strip 100 (part number) .010 X .020 inch - 0.25mm X 0.5mm. Use the 0.25mm measurement for the thickness, the 0.50mm for width and cut to how high you want your crewman? Of course he's 4 foot wide at 0.50mm... perhaps trim it to 0.25mm X 0.25mm? Make as many as you want cheaply! At that size it's all about painting I think. What color is/was the Russian/Soviet naval cap? Shirt? Pants?Ray
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jb,
I'll swap you a flight deck worth of aircraft if you'll make me a flight deck worth of .75mm tall crewmen.
Paul
I'll swap you a flight deck worth of aircraft if you'll make me a flight deck worth of .75mm tall crewmen.
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Chinese carrier
A relative to the Adm Kuznetzov
http://rusnavy.com/news/othernavies/ind ... T_ID=12005
The first Chinese aircraft carrier most likely will be commissioned into China's Southern Fleet which is responsible for the South China Sea, reported Chinese news agencies referring to ex-director of Taiwanese Navy's intelligence department.
"First carrier can join Southern Fleet", stated the expert. As for the Taiwanese expert, with acquiring a capable aircraft carrier Chinese Navy would have an opportunity not only to operate in the Taiwan Strait but to attack poorly-defended east coast of the island. On the other hand, it is still uncertain when the Chinese carrier would become operable, pointed out the expert.
China's official media sources have recently started to publish photos of the first national aircraft carrier, which had not been officially recognized before. Regularly updated amateur photos of ex-Soviet aircraft-carrying cruiser Varyag being built at Dalian shipyard have being posted on Chinese forums for over a year, although official media agencies ignored existence of the ship. Chinese authorities have been refusing from any comments on the carrier.
Xinhua News Agency became the first official source published the ship's photo last Wednesday referring to the Internet forum. According to the agency, the ship may be completed in the current year. Representatives of Chinese foreign ministry withheld comments again. Nevertheless, photos of the carrier became the matter of extensive discussion amid Chinese and foreign media agencies.
Earlier in 2011, the world learned about the first China's 5-generation fighter J-20 in the same manner, i.e. via Internet forums. The photos emerged on Chinese websites in Dec had came into view of western journalists early in Jan and were reposted by foreign media agencies, and then – by Chinese sources referring to western colleagues. Soon after, the aircraft performed the first flight which aroused public resonance worldwide.
According to Pentagon's report on Chinese military power published in Aug 2010, China has formed a 50-man team of pilots for deck-based aviation. Presumably, the Chinese would use retrofitted Varyag to practice deck takeoffs and landings for 4-5 years, and try to shape more than one carrier strike group by the year of 2020.
Shenyang Aircraft Corporation is developing deck-based fighter J-15 for the future aircraft carrier; Soviet deck-based fighter Su-33 was the prototype for J-15. Media learned about J-15 program in 2010 – again from amateur photos posted on forums.
Aircraft-carrying cruiser Varyag was launched at Nikolayev shipyard in 1988. After breakup of the USSR the uncompleted ship was handed over to Ukraine and sold to a company from Macao in 1998. Formally, the ship was supposed to be refitted into floating casino. In 2001 the ship was towed to China; in 2003 Varyag was transferred to a shipyard in Dalian in order to undergo fitting-out works. According to photos posted on Chinese forums during recent months, works are at closing stage; arms and most of radio electronic equipment has been already mounted.
Official name of the first Chinese aircraft carrier has not been reported so far, Chinese websites assumed several versions of the carrier's name including Shi Lang (in honor of known Chinese naval commander).
http://rusnavy.com/news/othernavies/ind ... T_ID=12005
The first Chinese aircraft carrier most likely will be commissioned into China's Southern Fleet which is responsible for the South China Sea, reported Chinese news agencies referring to ex-director of Taiwanese Navy's intelligence department.
"First carrier can join Southern Fleet", stated the expert. As for the Taiwanese expert, with acquiring a capable aircraft carrier Chinese Navy would have an opportunity not only to operate in the Taiwan Strait but to attack poorly-defended east coast of the island. On the other hand, it is still uncertain when the Chinese carrier would become operable, pointed out the expert.
China's official media sources have recently started to publish photos of the first national aircraft carrier, which had not been officially recognized before. Regularly updated amateur photos of ex-Soviet aircraft-carrying cruiser Varyag being built at Dalian shipyard have being posted on Chinese forums for over a year, although official media agencies ignored existence of the ship. Chinese authorities have been refusing from any comments on the carrier.
Xinhua News Agency became the first official source published the ship's photo last Wednesday referring to the Internet forum. According to the agency, the ship may be completed in the current year. Representatives of Chinese foreign ministry withheld comments again. Nevertheless, photos of the carrier became the matter of extensive discussion amid Chinese and foreign media agencies.
Earlier in 2011, the world learned about the first China's 5-generation fighter J-20 in the same manner, i.e. via Internet forums. The photos emerged on Chinese websites in Dec had came into view of western journalists early in Jan and were reposted by foreign media agencies, and then – by Chinese sources referring to western colleagues. Soon after, the aircraft performed the first flight which aroused public resonance worldwide.
According to Pentagon's report on Chinese military power published in Aug 2010, China has formed a 50-man team of pilots for deck-based aviation. Presumably, the Chinese would use retrofitted Varyag to practice deck takeoffs and landings for 4-5 years, and try to shape more than one carrier strike group by the year of 2020.
Shenyang Aircraft Corporation is developing deck-based fighter J-15 for the future aircraft carrier; Soviet deck-based fighter Su-33 was the prototype for J-15. Media learned about J-15 program in 2010 – again from amateur photos posted on forums.
Aircraft-carrying cruiser Varyag was launched at Nikolayev shipyard in 1988. After breakup of the USSR the uncompleted ship was handed over to Ukraine and sold to a company from Macao in 1998. Formally, the ship was supposed to be refitted into floating casino. In 2001 the ship was towed to China; in 2003 Varyag was transferred to a shipyard in Dalian in order to undergo fitting-out works. According to photos posted on Chinese forums during recent months, works are at closing stage; arms and most of radio electronic equipment has been already mounted.
Official name of the first Chinese aircraft carrier has not been reported so far, Chinese websites assumed several versions of the carrier's name including Shi Lang (in honor of known Chinese naval commander).
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Re: Chinese carrier
The name of the Ming Admiral who conquered Taiwan. Pointed comment eh?jb wrote:Official name of the first Chinese aircraft carrier has not been reported so far, Chinese websites assumed several versions of the carrier's name including Shi Lang (in honor of known Chinese naval commander).
Anyone have photos of the starboard forward island and any photos of the aft part of the island?
Since Riga/Varyag did not have the Soviet/Russian phased array radar positions it's interesting to see the Chinese are installing their own. Note that in those photos you can see a position on the port forward island and a spot on the front of the island that hasn't, yet been cut out for another radar.
Ray