They dont make the F-84F which is the swept wing version and quite different. I almost ordered the E version by mistake once from H&R.
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Just a conversion. GHQ put out the T95 which had consigned my scratchbuilt ones to the "box". I opted to bash "brand X's" Pershings to make 4 T23s. I removed the suspension bogies from the M4 tracks and after I removed the bogies and idlers from the Pershing hulls I glued them there. Turrets were slightly modified to make a fair look-a-like. Hatches are wrong, but I couldn't find any Shermans with a T23 turret. It looks rough, but it gets the job done.
Why T23s? From what I've read they were almost put in service. They had some teething problems, but with a cross country speed of 20mph and a 76mm gun (90mm was tested) I believe it could have made a difference had it been used after the problems were solved. (250 T20s were built, but not used around 1942). Could this have been the United States' Panther?
Anyhow, pardon the quality of the pictures. (I ran out of suspension systems and could only convert 4 tanks, the fifth kept the original suspension and was promoted to a T23E3).
Why T23s? From what I've read they were almost put in service. They had some teething problems, but with a cross country speed of 20mph and a 76mm gun (90mm was tested) I believe it could have made a difference had it been used after the problems were solved. (250 T20s were built, but not used around 1942). Could this have been the United States' Panther?
Anyhow, pardon the quality of the pictures. (I ran out of suspension systems and could only convert 4 tanks, the fifth kept the original suspension and was promoted to a T23E3).
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Naz - great work, as always! Your modelling skills are a delight to the eye!
But I question your choice of the T23 as the "American Panther". I think you are closer to the "American Panther" with the one stand-out tank in the background. To me, it looks like you have completed a T25! Now THAT was probably a missed opportunity.
You have essentially put a T26 turret onto a lighter hull with torsion-bar suspension, no?
To those who do not know it, the T25 was a concurrent alternative to the T26 (which became the M26 Pershing). They had the same automotives, the same suspension, and the same 90mm-armed turret. But the T25 was lighter, with a 3-inch armor basis on the hull vs. the 4-inch armor basis of the T26.
The decision to proceed exclusively with the T26 was taken in late 1943 (IIRC), and the T25 program stalled. But the first prototypes of the T26 were found substantially deficient in the spring of 1944, and it was not until the fall of '44 that the first T26E3 was deamed acceptable for trials.
The M26 was always a dog. It has the reputation as the single worst tank, automotively, to be accepted for service by the US Army. I expect that the lighter T25 might have avoided some of this reputation. It might have gotten into service a little sooner (fewer complications between first proto and acceptable trials protos), and been available for combat in larger numbers. As it was there were more T26s in the ETO by the end of the war than TIgers. But the vast majority of those missed any combat. It was really only a few months late to see the war in numbers.
Just my ramblings... inspired by your modelling.
But I question your choice of the T23 as the "American Panther". I think you are closer to the "American Panther" with the one stand-out tank in the background. To me, it looks like you have completed a T25! Now THAT was probably a missed opportunity.
You have essentially put a T26 turret onto a lighter hull with torsion-bar suspension, no?
To those who do not know it, the T25 was a concurrent alternative to the T26 (which became the M26 Pershing). They had the same automotives, the same suspension, and the same 90mm-armed turret. But the T25 was lighter, with a 3-inch armor basis on the hull vs. the 4-inch armor basis of the T26.
The decision to proceed exclusively with the T26 was taken in late 1943 (IIRC), and the T25 program stalled. But the first prototypes of the T26 were found substantially deficient in the spring of 1944, and it was not until the fall of '44 that the first T26E3 was deamed acceptable for trials.
The M26 was always a dog. It has the reputation as the single worst tank, automotively, to be accepted for service by the US Army. I expect that the lighter T25 might have avoided some of this reputation. It might have gotten into service a little sooner (fewer complications between first proto and acceptable trials protos), and been available for combat in larger numbers. As it was there were more T26s in the ETO by the end of the war than TIgers. But the vast majority of those missed any combat. It was really only a few months late to see the war in numbers.
Just my ramblings... inspired by your modelling.
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"It is hard NOT to write satire." - Decimus Iunius Juvenalis, 1st Century AD
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Can't say why I settled on the T23E1. I thought it looked interesting and wanted to see if I could do the suspension swap. I was trying for a generic T23 turret and just couldn't get the shape right. I've read that after the T23 was cancelled its turrets with the 76mm guns were mounted on Shermans and used later in the war. The T23E3 had the torsion bar suspension tried on one tank (which took care of my remaining hull ). In July 1943 it was proposed to standardize the T23E3 as Medium tank M27 (electric drive and torsion bar suspension) and the T20E3 as Medium tank M27B1 (torqmatic drive and torsion bar suspension). Its a shame that the Army concluded that it was unsatisfactory because of problems in maintenance and the need to retrain personnel.
Looking at what you have suggested I do believe you're right and it looks more like the T25. Hmmm . . . wonder if I might find more of "brand X" if I dig deeper in the parts box?
Can't say why I settled on the T23E1. I thought it looked interesting and wanted to see if I could do the suspension swap. I was trying for a generic T23 turret and just couldn't get the shape right. I've read that after the T23 was cancelled its turrets with the 76mm guns were mounted on Shermans and used later in the war. The T23E3 had the torsion bar suspension tried on one tank (which took care of my remaining hull ). In July 1943 it was proposed to standardize the T23E3 as Medium tank M27 (electric drive and torsion bar suspension) and the T20E3 as Medium tank M27B1 (torqmatic drive and torsion bar suspension). Its a shame that the Army concluded that it was unsatisfactory because of problems in maintenance and the need to retrain personnel.
Looking at what you have suggested I do believe you're right and it looks more like the T25. Hmmm . . . wonder if I might find more of "brand X" if I dig deeper in the parts box?
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All the hull is made in Evergreen plastic card profils. The gray color is the Tamiya putty applied on the plastic card to finished differents parts.
I'm not a professionnel model maker, it's just an hobby for me.
But, I'm really fond of 1/285 GHQ micro armor, so I try to get the best visual effect for my wargaming scenarios by adding originals models missing at this scale.
I try to get the best harmony between the GHQ detailed figurines and my own productions. (not easy job because GHQ figurines are really beautiful with lot of details )
The rafts on the LCI model are selfmade in plastic card : two small rectangular plastic card pieces, same dimensions : a "bottom" and a "top"
- the bottom is made with "passenger car" from Evergreen plastic card plate.
- the top, is a flat plate 1mm (from Evergreen too). I open a rectangular hole on it.
I have glue the open rectangular plate on the "rectangular "passenger car" piece and sanding those two part together.
On the LSM-H RVN, at the beginning, rafts were recovered from Leva, but I decided to dropped them on next personnals boats because poor details...
Metal parts on LCI are recovered from my personnal "supply boxe".
Differents LCI parts ready for molding :
Thank you for your comments
I'm not a professionnel model maker, it's just an hobby for me.
But, I'm really fond of 1/285 GHQ micro armor, so I try to get the best visual effect for my wargaming scenarios by adding originals models missing at this scale.
I try to get the best harmony between the GHQ detailed figurines and my own productions. (not easy job because GHQ figurines are really beautiful with lot of details
) The rafts on the LCI model are selfmade in plastic card : two small rectangular plastic card pieces, same dimensions : a "bottom" and a "top"
- the bottom is made with "passenger car" from Evergreen plastic card plate.
- the top, is a flat plate 1mm (from Evergreen too). I open a rectangular hole on it.
I have glue the open rectangular plate on the "rectangular "passenger car" piece and sanding those two part together.
On the LSM-H RVN, at the beginning, rafts were recovered from Leva, but I decided to dropped them on next personnals boats because poor details...
Metal parts on LCI are recovered from my personnal "supply boxe".
Differents LCI parts ready for molding :
Thank you for your comments
Pibber.
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(Long life to GHQ !)
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Looking into information on airborne operations and thought I would try my hand at this.
As usual, pictures are a tad fuzzy
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My attempt for the "Longest Day". Lt.Col. Benjamin Vandervoort was made by taking the upper torso from a WW2 U.S. officer and the lower torso from the figures provided for the German halftracks. The soldiers pulling the cart "volunteered" from the US Viet Nam set with slight modifications. Weapons were "borrowed" from 3 WW2 British soldiers that were throwing hand grenades. In reality the cart is too big, but what the hey . . . I think it looks good. Wheel assembly for the cart was from the German quad 20mm AA cart and trimmed down. I should have trimmed more of the fenders off as the hand cart had none.
From what I found on the net there would have been the 2 soldiers on front towing the cart by cables provided with the cart along with a third soldier following and holding up the trailer hitch.
As usual, pictures are a tad fuzzy
.My attempt for the "Longest Day". Lt.Col. Benjamin Vandervoort was made by taking the upper torso from a WW2 U.S. officer and the lower torso from the figures provided for the German halftracks. The soldiers pulling the cart "volunteered" from the US Viet Nam set with slight modifications. Weapons were "borrowed" from 3 WW2 British soldiers that were throwing hand grenades. In reality the cart is too big, but what the hey . . . I think it looks good. Wheel assembly for the cart was from the German quad 20mm AA cart and trimmed down. I should have trimmed more of the fenders off as the hand cart had none.
From what I found on the net there would have been the 2 soldiers on front towing the cart by cables provided with the cart along with a third soldier following and holding up the trailer hitch.
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"Professional" just means you get paid for it ... Pibber's work is as good (or better) than many professionals I've worked with.BattlerBritain wrote:Pibber - that is just incredible!
Are you a professional model maker? Because that is a better model than any professionally built one I've ever seen.
Just amazing.
Well done Pibber, looks great.
Allen Rockwell
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GHQ Fanatic since 1978
My Micro Armor Blog www.allensmicroarmor.com
Owner, GameCraft Miniatures
GHQ Fanatic since 1978
My Micro Armor Blog www.allensmicroarmor.com
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Nothing like Pibber's unbelievable artwork, but my 11 year old daughter thought I should share what I have done so far on what she is calling my "Used Car Lot" (haven't figured if she's being funny or sarcastic )
I've been looking for some time for civilian vehicles to use in one of many interests I have. Short story long, I have several vehicles from a company that went out of business some time ago and decided to attempt to cast them using InstantMold and InstantPutty. Instant mold suited my interest as all you do is soften it in hot water (BOILING WATER actually) and after the 2nd degree burns heal you take the softened material and apply it around the master. In all fairness this material is not for detailed work and I feel lucky to get what I got. Instant putty is like Green Stuff, but sets up in 5 minutes. All in all a fun learning experience.
So far I have only made castings of cars and step vans (that I made a master of). The step vans have a lot of use since some of the body designs have been in use since 1972. I later plan to do pickups (maybe duelies), conversion and mini vans, box vans, and hopefully vehicles from WW2 (especially Volkswagon). So here's Cris's Used Car Lot so far.
The master vehicles are on the right or top of the pair with the lighter windows.
Ones that didn't cast well volunteered to become wrecks.
Here's 2 SWAT vans with the master van. Not going for a lot of detail, just a lot of room for options.
Here's some police cars. I finally found another use for the German Shepherds I carved some time ago. Painted modern US troops to use as SWAT teams.
Not pictured are a Fire Department First Response Vehicle and 2 delivery trucks (one white and one chocolate brown, neither with lettering). As I dug around researching I found these. They are base van castings cut and "stretched". I believe the longer one is some type of disaster response headquarters, shorter one will be an ambulance or smaller disaster response vehicle as box vans are more popular for ambulances. I made the mast unit on the back of the larger vehicle oversized to cut down on replacing ones that have snapped or broken off.
I would like to request any help that can be given to locate pictures or plans for civilian vehicles from WW2. Any ideas to convert existing models will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cris Shaffer
)I've been looking for some time for civilian vehicles to use in one of many interests I have. Short story long, I have several vehicles from a company that went out of business some time ago and decided to attempt to cast them using InstantMold and InstantPutty. Instant mold suited my interest as all you do is soften it in hot water (BOILING WATER actually) and after the 2nd degree burns heal you take the softened material and apply it around the master. In all fairness this material is not for detailed work and I feel lucky to get what I got. Instant putty is like Green Stuff, but sets up in 5 minutes. All in all a fun learning experience.
So far I have only made castings of cars and step vans (that I made a master of). The step vans have a lot of use since some of the body designs have been in use since 1972. I later plan to do pickups (maybe duelies), conversion and mini vans, box vans, and hopefully vehicles from WW2 (especially Volkswagon). So here's Cris's Used Car Lot so far.
The master vehicles are on the right or top of the pair with the lighter windows.
Ones that didn't cast well volunteered to become wrecks.
Here's 2 SWAT vans with the master van. Not going for a lot of detail, just a lot of room for options.
Here's some police cars. I finally found another use for the German Shepherds I carved some time ago. Painted modern US troops to use as SWAT teams.
Not pictured are a Fire Department First Response Vehicle and 2 delivery trucks (one white and one chocolate brown, neither with lettering). As I dug around researching I found these. They are base van castings cut and "stretched". I believe the longer one is some type of disaster response headquarters, shorter one will be an ambulance or smaller disaster response vehicle as box vans are more popular for ambulances. I made the mast unit on the back of the larger vehicle oversized to cut down on replacing ones that have snapped or broken off.
I would like to request any help that can be given to locate pictures or plans for civilian vehicles from WW2. Any ideas to convert existing models will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cris Shaffer