April 2010 New Releases

[microarmor]

Are you all going to keep this thread going until GHQ releases the real irregulars?

[Panzerleader71]

"Are you all going to keep this thread going until GHQ releases the real irregulars?"

Probably. I think the thread has reached it's critical momentum t make it to the end of summer.

[microarmor]

May be I can steer the conversation away from the imminent chain reaction.

On a different note, although still somewhat criticizing of GHQ. I got a pack of the new Panzer IV figs. At first I thought what the heck did they remake this tank for. The side schurtzen looked too far forward and there are no teeth of the drive sprockets. I really have to say, though, the details are a lot crisper and they look really good once painted.....still a little disheartened about the sprockets.

Secondly I'm very disappointed with the WWII US Paratroopers. They're huge. they must be a scale 8 or 9 feet tall.....What the heck happened there. Great models, just too big. In there catalog the beautiful. they all look the same scale. Must be proofs or something. Anyone know if the WWII Germans with MP44 are oversized as well?

Regardless I'll continue to buy GHQ. albeit no more paratroopers, unless they fix the molds.

[kiasutha]

Are you all going to keep this thread going until GHQ releases the real irregulars?

I'm really glad right now I don't game anything "earthbound" in post Korean War era...

I have no "inside" idea what the GHQ sub-saharan irregulars packs will look like, but it may actually solve this "problem" anyway, at least for most people.
Perhaps GHQ will step in and give us a bit of a hint and maybe settle this "mess"?

Really-given the proper "paint job", how much difference is there in "1/285+" scale between a bare headed african in mostly western civilian clothes and lugging a Sov-Bloc, Chi-Com, or captured western weapon; and a bare headed middle easterner of various ethnicity in mostly western civilian clothes and lugging a Sov-Bloc, Chi-Com, or captured western weapon?
Even some of the head-gear (for those wearing any) might overlap at times.
(I've heard there are actually people that remodel stuff like that in micro-scale! )

GHQ has handled this error in release-order reasonably and honorably; though I do think they would have been ahead to have given an actual if brief description of their intentions "way back then" for the now upcoming "irregulars" packs.
Meantime, i'll go back to waiting for them to release all sorts of basic stuff for all the major and minor WW2 armies that is still missing from the very range that their company and it's extraordinary reputation was first built on.
Heck, I waited about 40 years for a basic Italian 75mm field gun; maybe one of these days they will even make some Russian horse drawn limbers. In the mean time, in my shoddy way I'll make do with "captured" Polish ones for just about everybody on both sides.
At least we don't have to make generic trucks out of cardstock & balsa wood anymore...

[Timothy OConnor]

The main reason you don’t see insurgents is that people do not want to game an insurgency.

I guess that's why Ambush Alley hasn't been doing so well. Only a tiny company by the name of Osprey was willing to sign a deal to publish their games.



I know 6mm gaming is a niche market but is our community really THAT insular!

[Panzerleader71]

",,,I'm very disappointed with the WWII US Paratroopers. "

Have to say I agree with this point. Though I do not plan on making any US Paratroop Battle Groups for some time, they should have stuck to the same as the rest of the infantry minis in the range.

[DAK]

I agree the paratoopers were a let down. They are HUGH!!

[voltigeur]

And to think there are people out there who reject 1/285 scale as too small to see any details!

There are only 3 things in this scale that show up, the head gear, weapons and foot gear. Everything else can be fudged. Truth is you don’t need a figure in this scale for every army or group you want to model. You just need the weapons head gear and as far as foot gear the biggest issue is whether they have their trousers bloused or not.

When I have requested infantry I have tried to ask for figures not for a specific army or campaign but for figures that are flexible and can be painted several different ways.

I recently saw the bush warriors painted up as Soviet Airborne! Great effect and only with a magnifying glass did I see inauthentic details. Aside from some friendly razzing about ball cap color, they worked extremely well and added tons of flavor to our NATO vs. WARPAC game.

As far as figures that are too big? I agree the US Paratroopers do have to have a back story of how the Army only recruited from basketball teams. However in general I do like the infantry being slightly large. (Emphasis on the word slightly) While the new infantry is a bit large they paint so much better than in the past and hold up to the rigors of table top combat so much better. After you put them on stands you screw up the visual anyway.

[Firefight]

Hey...where's the "irregular" discussion.....lol

[Theodore]

And to think there are people out there who reject 1/285 scale as too small to see any details!

There are only 3 things in this scale that show up, the head gear, weapons and foot gear. Everything else can be fudged. Truth is you don’t need a figure in this scale for every army or group you want to model. You just need the weapons head gear and as far as foot gear the biggest issue is whether they have their trousers bloused or not.

When I have requested infantry I have tried to ask for figures not for a specific army or campaign but for figures that are flexible and can be painted several different ways.

I don't see the footgear as much of an issue, since it can be camoflaged by painting and basing. Nor the individual weapons since they are harder to tell.

I see the key identifiers as headgear, heavy weapons, and load bearing equipment.
Which is why it is impossible to model irregulars effectively with figures wearing helmets and standard issue load bearing equipment.

I agree you don't need a figure for every army, especially if you have ones with similar helmets which are the most identifiable feature. Which is why I don't see the wisdom in another pack of regulars in helmets with uniform LBE, there are a bunch of those on the market from a variety of manufacturers.

But civilian clothed fighters with AK47s, RPGs, no helmets and little LBE are something that is missing from the market. It is also a figure that would serve in more than one army or campaign, there have been few wars fought since 1991 that did not involve people in civilian clothes with no helmets fighting in the battles.

[thetourist]

Thaat's funny that someone else decided to do Brushfire Warriors as Soviet Airborne! I recently did the same for all the figs with berets and turned the ones with caps into Middle Eastern (Afghan/Iraqi/Palestinian) Police. I painted a couple technicals white for the cops to use as transport and I think it works nicely.

When the irregulars do come out i'll be able to model a multifaceted battle with local militia, police, civilians and some regular army (or armies) all operating in close proximity.

[Belisarius]

The families of 4,397 American service men and women would probably disagree with you.

And my two little boys who will be in debt to communist China to finance the Iraq war would also disagree.

We managed to completely conquer Japan and Germany in just a few years. Either we're spectacularly incompetent or "those guys" know what they're doing.

Yes, the families of those might disagree with me, but those t-shirt wearing, masked insurgents still don't now what they're doing (as far as not losing their own forces in a roughly 20:1 ratio). The estimated insurgent death toll is approaching 100,000. How does that compare to 4,397? Also, just over 1,000 of those deaths occured from enemy fire. The rest were IEDs, accidents, suicides, and friendly fire. Maybe GHQ should make an IED pack?

And also, I have to call BS on your comparison to the Iraq War with WWII. That's like comparing golf to football because they're both sports. WWII was a total war where civilian populations were key targets. Compare the 60,000,000 deaths and 11 trillion dollars to the Iraq War and there's quite a sizable gap. I bet if OIF was fought like WWII, it would've taken maybe 1-2 months and we'd be busy figuring out what parts of the country get divided amongst the US, UK, Poland, and the other coalition forces.

[Belisarius]

I'd also like to mention that I'm a stubborn ** CENSORED ** when it comes to misrepresentation of history... Forgive me.

In an unrelated but jollier note, where was it mentioned that GHQ is making subsaharan irregulars? Have they posted a new releases list for next year?

[Panzerleader71]

The Sub-Saharran Irregulars are expected out Aug/Sept I think.

[Mk 1]

In an unrelated but jollier note, where was it mentioned that GHQ is making subsaharan irregulars?

On page 2 of this thread you will find this from GHQ:

TW-12 and TW-13 are what we would call 3rd World Regulars ... Irregular infantry are what we had in mind when these packs were planned, and ... the irregulars were supposed to come for the April 30th releases. These came instead. ...
Regrettably it is too late for the irregulars until the August releases (when the Regulars were supposed to be released), but that is when they will be out. They will be sub-Saharan irregulars. ...

We are sorry for the confusion.

Thank you for your support,
GHQ

Have they posted a new releases list for next year?

No, not yet.