Modern Microarmour Wish List 2009-2010

Rutgervanm · Post by **Rutgervanm** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:59 pm

Intruder, to my knowledge, the Leopard 2A6 is externally the same as the 2A5. The only difference is the addition of the long barreled 120mm cannon. Other changes are very minor: wheels made from stronger steel, some improvements in suspension, different material for the gun mantle, extra weights in the back of the turret (to offset the heavier gun), some sensors have been added and some slightly moved to make room for the bigger gun. Also some internal items (like the storageplace for the commanders binoculars and the magazines for the personal defence weapons) had to be displaced.

The spaced armour is exactly the same on both tanks.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:43 pm

Hi,

one thing should be considered talking about the Leo 2A5/A6 versions. All but the German and Dutch versions are equipped with the add-on armour for at the hull front (also the GHQ model has it). This is IMO one of the most visible detail making the versions of the user nations look different (leaving away the rather heavily modified Strv 122). As Rutgervanm said, other differences are more or less minor. For example the RNLA version has a different smoke discharger system and arrangement, the German smoke discharger banks have been modified (so on photos you will find different arrangements for both A5 and A6) and so on. Nothing you should worry too much when talking about a 1/285 model.
Nevertheless I second that a new model for the Leo 2A5 should be made, as we do not want to cut guns

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BTW, Norway has Leo 2A4 (Ex-RNLA if I go right but modified, e.g. smoke dischargers).

Kind regards,
Ben

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:11 pm

DAK wrote:Modern German and French infantry and heavy weapons.

Germany's PUMA article on their update of procurement. http://www.defense-update.com/products/p/puma-aifv.htm

Nine countries including Poland, Switzerland, & South Africa has ordered the Patria AMV 8X8 APC.

Boxer is also getting orders in Europe, the Dutch for example.

cbovill · Post by **cbovill** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:07 am

So that article said that the German Army is going to buy 405 Puma's to replace the Marder. 405? How small has the German Army gotten? What is that like 5 battalions? So exactly who is defending Europe now?

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:16 am

I think the current Army Structure has battalions of 44 Marders. Additionally there are only 8 PanzerGrenadier Battalions plus the training commands and some spares so 405 isn't an unreasonable number. Small, very small maybe, but given the current structure its not unreasonable. (My only source on this is the Tankograd pub on the Marder I just picked up two weeks ago. - Ben might have more definitive info.)

Paul

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:24 pm

Moin,

no I am sorry - I have no definitive info on hand. The only thing I know for sure is that the German Army is a rather small force (especially compared to Cold War times) nowadays.
If you require precise info on the GE ArmdInfBn(s) let me know, I will ask some buddies then...

Cheers Ben

Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:27 pm

I've always wondered why GHQ doesn't make sets based on it's own TO&Es from their website (ie Soviet Recon Coy 1 BMP and 1 BRDM, Soviet AA battery 1 SA-9, 1 Shilka, etc.) I know they make more money on having to order multiple packs, but does anyone use all 5 of minis of the ZSU 23/4? I've only been "collecting" GHQ for a short time and already have quite a few duplicate vehicles that I will probably never use. Bit of a waste from my POV.

Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:03 am

It would also be nice to see some earlier Cold War era Soviet Combat Commands (ie w/ T-64s). A CW era French Combat Command, and a British CC based on the Chieftain would be nice too.

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:41 am

Panzerleader71 wrote:I've always wondered why GHQ doesn't make sets based on it's own TO&Es from their website (ie Soviet Recon Coy 1 BMP and 1 BRDM, Soviet AA battery 1 SA-9, 1 Shilka, etc.) I know they make more money on having to order multiple packs, but does anyone use all 5 of minis of the ZSU 23/4? I've only been "collecting" GHQ for a short time and already have quite a few duplicate vehicles that I will probably never use. Bit of a waste from my POV.

Some of us game with rules at 1 to 1 not GHQ's rules. While GHQ packaging serves us a little better there are still huge inefficiencies. If you have duplicates there are many on these forums that will buy or trade them and there is a Yahoo group for GHQ swapping.

Paul

Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:57 am

"Some of us game with rules at 1 to 1 not GHQ's rules. "

I understand that, but wouldn't certain "sets" like I mentioned benefit the 1:1 crowd as well?

"If you have duplicates there are many on these forums that will buy or trade them..."

Something to keep in mind.

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:28 am

I'm sorry if I made it sound like I was dissenting, I totally agree. the 1:1 crowd has been asking for more representational groupings for years. Some old style tank platoons were five to a unit which works fine but most modern are four to a platoon. There have always been inefficiencies and apparently always will.

Paul

Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:19 am

av8rmongo wrote:I'm sorry if I made it sound like I was dissenting, I totally agree. the 1:1 crowd has been asking for more representational groupings for years. Some old style tank platoons were five to a unit which works fine but most modern are four to a platoon. There have always been inefficiencies and apparently always will.

Paul

Ah, I thought that was what you meant, but wasn't entirely sure.

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:55 pm

Wish list is for the current production of the Bradley, M2A3

http://www.army-technology.com/projects ... /brad6.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/brad5.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bm2-1.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bm2-2.jpg

Bradley and Abrams in Iraq video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Go-g07Zuk

pmskaar · Post by **pmskaar** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:24 am

My primary interest is in WWII but I have a fair collection of modern stuff as well, Right now this is mostly confined to IDF around 1967 and 1973 and Cold War early post Cold War Americans and Russians. For moderns this is what I am interested in mostly and with that in mind here are my picks.

1. T-62. The GHQ model is really showing its age and needs a new sculpt. If doing NATO vs. WP this is almost a must. GHQ gave us a revised T-72 this year so hopefully they will consider doing.

2. BMP-1. This is another GHQ model that needs a facelift. It would be great to have it with a separate turret as well vs. molded on.

3. Israeli M3/M5 Halftracks. These would be for the 67 and 73 wars and are just different enough to warrant thier own models.

4. Israeli and Arab infantry from the 67 and 73 time frame.

5. Russian gun crews for the towed guns. These could probably be used for Arab crews as well.

6. Some M-48's for the Israelis. The current GHQ version is good for Vietnam but the Israeli version had less return rollers plus the 105 gun for the 73 War. Most common Israeli tank in the Sinai Front in 1973 if my memory serves me correctly.

This should do it for now. There are a few other gaps to be filled for sure but I didn't want to just create a laundry list of everything GHQ doesn't make. Thanks.

Pete - Binpicker, Out!

Timothy OConnor · Post by **Timothy OConnor** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:02 am

I'm with Panzerleader71 on the packaging issue. I'm building a battalion-level WWII collections using GHQ miniatures (1 stand = 3-4 vehicles, squads, etc.) I even sold my ENTIRE 15mm Battlefront collection to fund the project!!! (and my son's new computer).

GHQ's own game system is designed for that same TO&E scale. But they don't sell combat commands at that level! It's like Battelfront deciding to sell unit packs of AFVs but ignoring their own army lists. Instead Battlefront sells package deals that conform precisely to their rules.

For example, most battalion-level games have a single Sherman 105 model in the armored infantry battalion HQ (same for tank company HQ IIRC). With GHQ you have to buy 5x 105 Shermans to get 1 for your battalion HQ.

I'm not suggesting that GHQ dump it's standard/typical 5:1 AFV packages. But it makes sense that if GHQ went to the time and effort to publish some rules and other systems (eg Command Decision and Blitzkrieg Commander) are designed at the same level, why not make it easier for people to acquire their products instead of forcing them to seek trades on miniature exchanges? (Or buy excess minis as I just did...anyone need some 105 Shermans?!)

Maybe the GHQ rules aren't popular enough? (But other systems such as Blitz Commander and Command Decision seem pretty popular).

Tim

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