The WWII Russian towed gun R38 says it is a 45mm anti-tank gun. The text below the picture says it comes with 76 mm gun? Maybe they mean it is on a 76mm gun carriage. Anyone know which is correct?
Also, I am unable to find some Korean war era items like the, M46 MBT, M39 APC, the LVT3 or LVT 5 Amtrac vehicles.
Seems a gap in GHQ line for 50's for equipment. primarily Western stuff like M103 Conquorer, M75 & M59 APC's, M44 M52 SPH.
I can modify other items to make do for now, but anyone know if GHQ plans to make these in the future?
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The M-26 is almost identical to the M-46 with a few exceptions (like the exhaust). Some LVT-3Cs and modified LVT(A)-5s saw action in the Korean War so the LVT's GHQ offers will also work. The LVT-5 did not begin production until 1951.
"Seems a gap in GHQ line for 50's for equipment, primarily Western stuff like M-103 Conqueror, M-75 & M-59 APC's, M44 M52 SPH".
Only the M-44 is not made by the other company, ... and I don't remember anyone making one to date, but the other three items are offered in another company's line. You are correct that there is very little specifically done for Korea though, in fact, almost everything used there was late WW 2 production with the exception of the Jets, which are also available from other manufacturers. GHQ makes the AD, an exceptional aircraft during that war and in VN.
What is really needed for Korea is Chinese and North Korean infantry in the winter uniforms...
Will
"Seems a gap in GHQ line for 50's for equipment, primarily Western stuff like M-103 Conqueror, M-75 & M-59 APC's, M44 M52 SPH".
Only the M-44 is not made by the other company, ... and I don't remember anyone making one to date, but the other three items are offered in another company's line. You are correct that there is very little specifically done for Korea though, in fact, almost everything used there was late WW 2 production with the exception of the Jets, which are also available from other manufacturers. GHQ makes the AD, an exceptional aircraft during that war and in VN.
What is really needed for Korea is Chinese and North Korean infantry in the winter uniforms...
Will
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Re: Korean war era models
[/quote] ...there is supposed to be 2 X45mm ATGs and 2 XM26 76mm Regimental Infantry guns in the pack...wilykylee2000 wrote:The WWII Russian towed gun R38 says it is a 45mm anti-tank gun. The text below the picture says it comes with 76 mm gun? Maybe they mean it is on a 76mm gun carriage. Anyone know which is correct?
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To my understanding, that package does indeed come with 45mm ATGs, and 76mm infantry guns, as it says on the description in the web catalog.jb mentioned:...Very strange! I was just at the LAst Square 2 days ago. I was looking at THAT particular package. It said 45mmATG,BUT upon further examination the package had the M26 76mm regimental GUN in the pack. Also to note,there were two packs there,both had the M26 76mm regimental gun in th packwilykylee2000 said:
The WWII Russian towed gun R38 says it is a 45mm anti-tank gun. The text below the picture says it comes with 76 mm gun? Maybe they mean it is on a 76mm gun carriage. Anyone know which is correct?
Two different kinds of guns. With the Komsomolyets tractors to tow them, caissons, and riding crewmen.
From my recollection, these used to be seperate items. But in the general upgrading of the product line over the past decade or so, when the arty started to show up packaged with the prime movers, these packs were combined into the current format.
I think I have one or two packs in my "get to it soon" box. I acquired them primarily for the caissons (which I use for horse tows for my guns), and the Russian riding crewmen (which have many uses). I'll try to check and report back the details of the packs later.
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The de Havilland DH.100 Vampire
The de Havilland DH.100 Vampire would have served the Canadian Air Force during the Korean War with F-86 Mk II's later because of the 22 pilots who served with the USAF during the conflict...
Although Canada was unable to provide fighter squadrons to the United Nations, 22 Royal Canadian Air Force pilots served with the American units. They were on exchange duty with the US Fifth Air Force and flew with Sabre-equipped fighter- interceptor squadrons
I seem to remember the Canadians flying hundreds of the F-86's for quite a while... great aircraft!
As far as ground troops are concerned...
On August 7, 1950, as the Korean crisis deepened, the Government authorized the recruitment of the Canadian Army Special Force. It was to be specially trained and equipped to carry out Canada's obligations under the United Nations charter or the North Atlantic Pact. The original components of the Special Force included the second battalions of the Royal Canadian Regiment (RCR), Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI), and Royal 22e Régiment (R22eR); "C" Squadron of Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians); 2nd Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery (RCHA); 57th Canadian Independent Field Squadron, Royal Canadian Engineers (RCE); 25th Canadian Infantry Brigade Signal Squadron; No. 54 Canadian Transport Company, Royal Canadian Army Service Corps (RCASC); and No. 25 Field Ambulance, Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps (RCAMC).
On August 8, Brigadier J.M. Rockingham accepted command of the Canadian Infantry Brigade. However, following the Inchon landings and the UN successes of September and October the war in Korea seemed to be near its end. Instead of a full brigade only the 2nd Battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel J.R. Stone, proceeded to Korea.
By the time the troopship steamed into Yokohama on December 14, 195O, the picture had completely changed. Communist China had intervened. In this charged atmosphere of unexpected disaster, the emphasis shifted to the speed with which the battalion could be thrown into action. The Patricias began an intensive training period at Miryang, near Taegu, where they also engaged in actions against guerrilla activities.
In mid-February 1951 the 2nd Battalion PPCLI took its place in the line as part of the 27th Commonwealth Brigade in time to participate in a general UN advance towards the 38th Parallel. This was a strenuous period for the brigade. The country was rugged, the weather bitterly cold and, although the Chinese were withdrawing, a number of sharp encounters occurred. In late February the Canadian unit made its first contact with the enemy, and suffered its first casualties in the Korean hills. At the end of March the Canadians began to move into the Kapyong valley. By mid-April, the United Nations forces were sited north of the 38th Parallel.
On April 11, 1951 General MacArthur was relieved of his command and replaced by Lieutenant-General Matthew B. Ridgway.
It had been suspected for some time that the Chinese were preparing another large-scale offensive, designed to check the UN advance. It came on April 22, 1951. The engagement, which followed, was one of the most severe of the entire Korean campaign. During the night of April 22-23 enemy forces struck in the western and west central sectors. In the attack the 6th Republic of Korea Division, overwhelmed and forced to retreat, was in danger of being cut off and completely destroyed. The task of the Commonwealth Brigade was to hold open a withdrawal route through the Kapyong valley and to prevent deep enemy infiltration.
A defensive position was established with the 2nd PPCLI at Hill 677, the 1st Middlese(x) (I can't believe you would censored the name of an infantry unit which is taking censorship way too far people) Regiment to the left and the 3rd Royal Australian Regiment (RAR) to the right. The Patricias, completely surrounded during part of the action and supplied by air, defended one height firmly during two days and a night of heavy fighting, losing ten men killed and 23 wounded. For their gallant action the 2nd PPCLI and the 3rd RAR received the US Presidential Citation.
The rest of the 25th Canadian Infantry Brigade was undergoing training at Fort Lewis. The Brigade sailed for Korea in April 1951 and came into the line towards the end of May, in time to take part in a further advance to the 38th Parallel.
These newly arrived battalions were deployed in support of the US 25th Division assault along the Ponchon River. In the course of this operation The Royal Canadian Regiment (HQ & museum London, Ontario) launched an attack upon the village of Chail-li and a neighbouring hill. The attack was successful, but the brigade's advance had created a deep salient in the enemy lines and the units, without protection on the flanks, were forced to withdraw.
Will
Although Canada was unable to provide fighter squadrons to the United Nations, 22 Royal Canadian Air Force pilots served with the American units. They were on exchange duty with the US Fifth Air Force and flew with Sabre-equipped fighter- interceptor squadrons
I seem to remember the Canadians flying hundreds of the F-86's for quite a while... great aircraft!
As far as ground troops are concerned...
On August 7, 1950, as the Korean crisis deepened, the Government authorized the recruitment of the Canadian Army Special Force. It was to be specially trained and equipped to carry out Canada's obligations under the United Nations charter or the North Atlantic Pact. The original components of the Special Force included the second battalions of the Royal Canadian Regiment (RCR), Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI), and Royal 22e Régiment (R22eR); "C" Squadron of Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians); 2nd Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery (RCHA); 57th Canadian Independent Field Squadron, Royal Canadian Engineers (RCE); 25th Canadian Infantry Brigade Signal Squadron; No. 54 Canadian Transport Company, Royal Canadian Army Service Corps (RCASC); and No. 25 Field Ambulance, Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps (RCAMC).
On August 8, Brigadier J.M. Rockingham accepted command of the Canadian Infantry Brigade. However, following the Inchon landings and the UN successes of September and October the war in Korea seemed to be near its end. Instead of a full brigade only the 2nd Battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel J.R. Stone, proceeded to Korea.
By the time the troopship steamed into Yokohama on December 14, 195O, the picture had completely changed. Communist China had intervened. In this charged atmosphere of unexpected disaster, the emphasis shifted to the speed with which the battalion could be thrown into action. The Patricias began an intensive training period at Miryang, near Taegu, where they also engaged in actions against guerrilla activities.
In mid-February 1951 the 2nd Battalion PPCLI took its place in the line as part of the 27th Commonwealth Brigade in time to participate in a general UN advance towards the 38th Parallel. This was a strenuous period for the brigade. The country was rugged, the weather bitterly cold and, although the Chinese were withdrawing, a number of sharp encounters occurred. In late February the Canadian unit made its first contact with the enemy, and suffered its first casualties in the Korean hills. At the end of March the Canadians began to move into the Kapyong valley. By mid-April, the United Nations forces were sited north of the 38th Parallel.
On April 11, 1951 General MacArthur was relieved of his command and replaced by Lieutenant-General Matthew B. Ridgway.
It had been suspected for some time that the Chinese were preparing another large-scale offensive, designed to check the UN advance. It came on April 22, 1951. The engagement, which followed, was one of the most severe of the entire Korean campaign. During the night of April 22-23 enemy forces struck in the western and west central sectors. In the attack the 6th Republic of Korea Division, overwhelmed and forced to retreat, was in danger of being cut off and completely destroyed. The task of the Commonwealth Brigade was to hold open a withdrawal route through the Kapyong valley and to prevent deep enemy infiltration.
A defensive position was established with the 2nd PPCLI at Hill 677, the 1st Middlese(x) (I can't believe you would censored the name of an infantry unit which is taking censorship way too far people) Regiment to the left and the 3rd Royal Australian Regiment (RAR) to the right. The Patricias, completely surrounded during part of the action and supplied by air, defended one height firmly during two days and a night of heavy fighting, losing ten men killed and 23 wounded. For their gallant action the 2nd PPCLI and the 3rd RAR received the US Presidential Citation.
The rest of the 25th Canadian Infantry Brigade was undergoing training at Fort Lewis. The Brigade sailed for Korea in April 1951 and came into the line towards the end of May, in time to take part in a further advance to the 38th Parallel.
These newly arrived battalions were deployed in support of the US 25th Division assault along the Ponchon River. In the course of this operation The Royal Canadian Regiment (HQ & museum London, Ontario) launched an attack upon the village of Chail-li and a neighbouring hill. The attack was successful, but the brigade's advance had created a deep salient in the enemy lines and the units, without protection on the flanks, were forced to withdraw.
Will
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The gun shown in the R-38 catalog photograph is the 45 mm Model 1932 L/46 anti-tank gun or the almost identical Model 1937. The shape of the shield (similar to that of the German 37 mm gun), strongly-stepped barrel shape and wire wheels are identification points.
The 45 mm Model 1942 L/66 was very similar except for a strengthened breech block (indistinguishable at 1/285 scale), disc wheels and a lengthened barrel with a less-prominent step. Anyone wishing to convert R-38 to the later-model gun can do so by filling in the spokes of the wheel and replacing the thin end of the barrel with a section of rod having the same diameter but 3 mm (1/8 inch) longer. (Note: just gluing on to the end is rather flimsy. Drilling into the thicker section of the barrel and inserting the rod would be stronger.)
The lower label identifying R-38 as a 76 mm infantry gun is understandable. The 76.2 mm Infantry Gun Model 1943 (76-43) used the carriage of the 45 mm Model 1942. The barrel of the Model 1943 extended slightly beyond the slide and had a small muzzle ring at the end.
Don Scheef
The 45 mm Model 1942 L/66 was very similar except for a strengthened breech block (indistinguishable at 1/285 scale), disc wheels and a lengthened barrel with a less-prominent step. Anyone wishing to convert R-38 to the later-model gun can do so by filling in the spokes of the wheel and replacing the thin end of the barrel with a section of rod having the same diameter but 3 mm (1/8 inch) longer. (Note: just gluing on to the end is rather flimsy. Drilling into the thicker section of the barrel and inserting the rod would be stronger.)
The lower label identifying R-38 as a 76 mm infantry gun is understandable. The 76.2 mm Infantry Gun Model 1943 (76-43) used the carriage of the 45 mm Model 1942. The barrel of the Model 1943 extended slightly beyond the slide and had a small muzzle ring at the end.
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Is the 76mm IG in the pack a model 43 or model 27? As I mentioned earlier I didn't look at the pack close enough to see the AT guns. So what I saw was IG guns for sure,but I don't recall if they are the split trails(M43) or the single trail (M27).Donald M. Scheef wrote: The lower label identifying R-38 as a 76 mm infantry gun is understandable. The 76.2 mm Infantry Gun Model 1943 (76-43) used the carriage of the 45 mm Model 1942. The barrel of the Model 1943 extended slightly beyond the slide and had a small muzzle ring at the end.
Don Scheef
I don't have a package on hand to tell.
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The package contains the model 1927 76mm IG. Verticl sheild, large wheels (about as high as the shield) and single trail. IIRC it was often referred to as the "flowerpot" by Soviet soldiers of the time as the very short barrel looked like a vase to them.jb joined the discussion with:
Is the 76mm IG in the pack a model 43 or model 27? As I mentioned earlier I didn't look at the pack close enough to see the AT guns. So what I saw was IG guns for sure,but I don't recall if they are the split trails(M43) or the single trail (M27).
I don't have a package on hand to tell.
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I ordered a pack of 45mm guns whilst the 15% discount was still on. We'll see what comes in. I also ordered a lot of extra recoiless rifles to make ground mount stands. The US seemed to have RcR in spades. I'm more of a collector than player and like researching the armies via books, movies and internet.
For the Korean war I've set up the foundations for:
-3 US battalions (1 armored, 2 Inf) and one Marine battalion. I also included numerous support elements like howitzers, RcR teams, LVT's and LCVP's.
-1 British Inf Battalion with armor and arty attachments
-1 ROK mixed bag battalion
-3 NKorean battalions (2 Inf, 1 armor) with arty and atk attachments
-4 battalions of Chinese infantry (probably not enough)
Had to include extra stuff for early war or late war scenarios. I'll eventually get around to modifying some stuff to represent the items GHQ doesn't make.
For the Korean war I've set up the foundations for:
-3 US battalions (1 armored, 2 Inf) and one Marine battalion. I also included numerous support elements like howitzers, RcR teams, LVT's and LCVP's.
-1 British Inf Battalion with armor and arty attachments
-1 ROK mixed bag battalion
-3 NKorean battalions (2 Inf, 1 armor) with arty and atk attachments
-4 battalions of Chinese infantry (probably not enough)
Had to include extra stuff for early war or late war scenarios. I'll eventually get around to modifying some stuff to represent the items GHQ doesn't make.
Wilykylee