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French Combat Command Box Questions/Issues

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:15 pm
by paloalto
I have some questions re: my French combat command box

Armored Carriers- which way does the superstructure face? I don't want to glue them in facing the wrong way. And where is the MG on this thing?

AT Guns- I got 3, but the box shows 2 and their both being towed. None of my AT guns look like they are in a towed state, which is odd because I didn't get any crew figures to man them. Further, how do I hitch them to their 2 carriers?

MG Teams- It says 4 MG teams, but I got 2 trees of 8 MGs: 4 lite and 4 heavy, so I actually have 8. No big deal because if I am supposed to have 4, the other four I can use with my French infantry blister. Also, what makes up an MG team? The MG figure and a single Poilu?

Regards,

Re: French Combat Command Box Questions/Issues

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:44 am
by Mk 1
paloalto pondered
Armored Carriers- which way does the superstructure face? I don't want to glue them in facing the wrong way. And where is the MG on this thing?
Which way...? Hmmm. Never seen the model.

I believe there is no choice of WHERE to mount the superstructure, is there? Often on other GHQ models, there is a slot-and-tongue mounting, which gives only the question of front vs. back. Sometimes there is pin-and-hole, which may allow side-to-side errors. Which is this?
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From my knowledge of the Chennillettes APC, I don't think there should be a big difference between front and back on the superstructure. Might be quite subtle.

As to the MG ... well, there ain't none. It was not an armed vehicle. It was specified and developed to be a tracked supply vehicle with armor levels to protect from shell fragments. It was only after work had gone rather far, that someone came up with the bright idea of using it to carry troops. Even though the GHQ model provides the supply version of the trailer, there was also a troop version of the trailer, too. :?

The primary purpose was to bring ammo and POL to resupply tanks as they were consolidating their new positions once they had over-run the enemy. Once someone came up with the idea to put troops in it, it was seen as a troop taxi, nothing more.

But it was never intended to engage in combat.

Or so I understand. Still looking, still learning on the French in 1940. So many myths have been written down as fact, that the history is difficult to derive. Such a mysterious campaign...
AT Guns- I got 3, but the box shows 2 and their both being towed. None of my AT guns look like they are in a towed state, which is odd because I didn't get any crew figures to man them. Further, how do I hitch them to their 2 carriers?
Crew figures -- I don't think there are any offered by GHQ. You might try snipping rifles off of a few kneeling shooters.

If you are not a purist, you might try making a substitution. You could use the en-bloc kneeling crews from the Soviet 57mm AT gun:
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Or, if you don't mind your AT gun crews standing, you might try the Italian Artillery Crew:
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In both cases at this scale, the uniforms are almost indistinguishable (as the helmets look quite similar).

Remember, GHQ allows you to buy individual sprues from packs. The method is described in the FAQ. I've done it before, and it worked out quite well for me. Just make sure you clearly describe what you want, and what kit number it comes from.
MG Teams- ... Also, what makes up an MG team? The MG figure and a single Poilu?
Making up the teams may depend on the rules you are basing for. But in general, one assistant gunner looks good enough on the battleboard for most people's tastes.

For me, I would place a prone figure next to the lite MGs, and a kneeling figure next to the tripod MGs. Where would I get them? Often I get them out of my extra's box, simply for lack of a better source. Or snipping kneeling or prone infantrymen (but they are often more valuable due to short supply, than generic kneeling gun-crews).

Just some views. Your mileage may vary.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:48 am
by paloalto
Mark

I am always grateful for your advice. I think I'll try ordering a blister of kneelers I got from the German support blister. They look passable. I'll glue my carriers together based on the pics you showed. I have some olive colors to begin painting my Char B1s. Really looking forward to this. As far as our next battle goes, how about your French against my France '40 Germans? I just finished glueing the commander onto the hatch of his Pz IIIF (the 37mm terror).

Given the totals of my combat command box, and my French infantry and weapons blisters AND the H35s/39s and S-35s I have a pretty decent French force. I want to paint some of them as territorials, and maybe with some leftovers begin my Vichy/Syria French.

I really need a book in English on the Gembloux Gap, if not the entire Dyle plan.
Which books about the Battle of France should I avoid?

Didn't the French infantry have a small 37mm HE weapon?

Regards,
James

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:38 am
by groundlber
Paloalto - The Lorraine Carrier has tool brackets on the front of the troop/cargo compartment and doors on the back. The details are on the model, but I had to look really close to see the details. (I don't need a magnifying glass- yet}.
The French had a 37mm infantry gun in the First World War, apparently they had been withdrawn from the infantry by the second war. maybe that's where the French got all those short barrelled 37mm's for their infantry tanks.
Groundlber

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:18 am
by Mk 1
paloalto wrote:
Mark
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As far as our next battle goes, how about your French against my France '40 Germans?
Sound good to me. You want to try to set up a time? I'll dust off mes Chasseurs Portees, and march my 3eme Division Legere Mecanique to meet you at the village of your choosing.
Given the totals of my combat command box, and my French infantry and weapons blisters AND the H35s/39s and S-35s I have a pretty decent French force. I want to paint some of them as territorials, and maybe with some leftovers begin my Vichy/Syria French.
Vichy forces in Morocco, Algeria and Syria, and French (not yet FFL) forces in Tunisia, should have pretty similar kit and appearances, so you can get double and triple service.

One of my favorite small actions to game is the armored clash SE of Port Lyautey on Torch D+1. First tank vs. tank action ever by a U.S. Armored Division, and who was it fought against? The FRENCH!

But H35s/39s would / should not feature prominently in your territorials. R35 was far more common, along with the D1 and D2, and even some old FTs were seen, but not the Hotchkiss tanks.

There were some S-35s in Africa, but they were in central Africa rather than North Africa or the Levant. They managed to march all the way up to participate against the Germans in Tunisia. I've read the first hand account (in French) by the CO of the last platoon of S-35s to fight, as his command was wiped out by Pz IVg's that were far beyond the French 47's range. I'm trying to cook up an Ousseltia Valley scenario to play my own French in Tunisia -- should be a fun one for multiple players, as units from the US 2nd Armored Division and the 701st TD Battalion were detatched to fight with the French -- but anything more than the most general info is hard to come upon.

But all that can wait for subsiquent occasions. Sounds like we've got enough for an interesting tangle in some Belgian village for now.

Ils ne passent pas! 8)