Recce Test

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:21 pm

Okay, I'm bored. Looked through some old files and decided to see if your recce skills are up to speed. (Shouldn't be too hard since I know 90% of you know 90% more than I do)

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:31 pm

Okay, how about this one?

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:38 pm

One more.

Mk 1 · Post by **Mk 1** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:09 am

The second image is a Soviet BTR-40 scout car. This was a post-war product which was developed after the Soviet's expierences with the US made M3 Scout Cars during WW2. It served through the 1950s as the stable-mate to the BTR-152 wheeled APC. It was eventually replaced by the BRDM-1 and following BRDM-2 series in the 1960s.

The third is a Hungarian FUG armored car. This was adopted by a couple of WarPac countries as an alternative to the Soviet BRDM-2.

First one looks like a Yugoslavian vehicle (judging from the three barrels), but I don't have a model number to suggest.

1ComOpsCtr · Post by **1ComOpsCtr** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:32 am

The first vehicle is the BOV-3 triple 20mm DP system so common during the Balkan wars of the 1990s. Nasty anti-personnel weapon when used against civilians as it so often was during that period.

Next vehicle is a classic BTR-40, also appears to have been taken in the Balkans near the same time though I could not guarantee it.

I have to look up the last vehicle but it looks Hungarian, Rumanian, or Serbian.

Will

pit · Post by **pit** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:20 am

ok here is a very dificult one:

so long
pit

jb · Post by jb » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:51 am

pit wrote:ok here is a very dificult one:

so long
pit

I Don't Know. I would guess a
"PZStugDollyPartonat121yearsofagekampfwagen!

Mk 1 · Post by **Mk 1** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:28 am

The double is a purely experimental version of the Jagdpanzer Kanone with twin guns in a fixed glacis mounting, which used a kneeling suspension somewhat like the Swedish S-Tank (STRV-103) to allow the driver to aim.

My recollection is that the guns were larger than the 90mm gun standard on the Jagdpanzer Kanone. But I'm not sure of the actual calibre. Can come up with more details if requested.

I think two prototypes were built. 'Twas a silly idea, which did not go too far IIRC.

groundlber · Post by **groundlber** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:52 am

Mk1- I had read that the Germans had experimented with fixed mountings during World War Two. Never could figure out how they did fine laying of the gun, or more importantly, where did the recoil forces go? Details. Anyway, it was interesting to see that the Germans didn't give up on the idea. Maybe the third time will be the charm.
Groundlber

jb · Post by jb » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:43 am

yes Mk1 ,you do have quite the passion for this business...

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:54 pm

One more.

This is a Hungarian PSZH-IV APC, which for example was also used by the East German Border Guards if I remember right.

Cheers Ben

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:17 am

Good job Ben!

Yes the three vehicles are the BOV-3, BTR-40 and the PSZH.

Paul

1ComOpsCtr · Post by **1ComOpsCtr** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:04 am

I rediscovered a reference site's address I had lost some months ago that is worth looking through. Lots of detail for the serious modeler in any scale.

http://tanxheaven.com/referencepictures.htm

Information from many sources from WW-I to the present.

Which brings us to the vehicle I would like GHQ to add to their production line-up...

The M-53-59 SP AA vehicle.

After facing an angry one of these while hanging on for dear life to a Marine UH-1N in a very restricted maneuver space I would like to see this beast available for general usage.

Will

Mk 1 · Post by **Mk 1** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:54 am

Yes the three vehicles are the BOV-3, BTR-40 and the PSZH.

Well, not to be pendantic or anything ... but I DO have a reputation to preserve, and all that.

The third pic is indeed a PSZH-IV. It is also a FUG.

The Hungarian PSZH-IV (Pancilos Szallito Harcjarmu - troop transporter) is known
through most former Warsaw Pact armies as the FUG66 or FUG70. It is the APC version
of the basic OT-65 FUG scout car.

The various FUG models were operated by the Rumanian, Czech, and Hungarian armies
(and as asserted above by the East German border police?). It was developed as a
stable-mate for the OT-64 8-wheeled SKOT APC. Together these two were an
alternative to fill the same roles as the Soviet BRDM-2 + BTR-60 combination. The
FUG66/70 has a turret mounting a KPV and PKT machinegun, and there is very cramped
space in the rear for 6 infantrymen.

Or so I understand it.

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:11 am

Mk1,

I bow before you. All I have to go by is the title on the photo file. I'm certainly not expert enough to know anything of the lineage or if there is enough difference between the two to warrant separate names.

Paul