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contents of packs

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:03 am
by yorkie
hello all,

this is my first post on the forum and i have a few questions

I currently play BKC, using GHQ figs (and great figs they are too).

can vehicles be bought seperately?, the reason being for some things i only need one model, but have to buy 5, so i have 4 models i cant use....

Artillery, why dont the packs include crew? i only need say 2 guns but have to buy a pack of 50 odd crew....

Which pack do i have to buy to get vickers MGs for the brits, i bought the heavy weapon pack but there wasnt any MGs in it, i now have loads of light mortars and Bren guns.....

what about army packs for BKC? alot of people use the rules and use GHQ models

thanks in advance. :D :D

cheers steve

Re: contents of packs

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:10 am
by Mk 1
yorkie wrote: this is my first post on the forum and i have a few questions

I currently play BKC, using GHQ figs (and great figs they are too).
Hello Yorkie, and welcome to our corner of the world.

Don't know about others, but I am not familiar with "BKC". Can you tell us a bit more about this game / these rules?
can vehicles be bought seperately?
I don't speak for GHQ, but I might point out the following information, which is on the FAQ part of this website:
GHQ FAQ wrote: For most of the Micro Armour® vehicles (those that are sold 5 to a pack) spare hulls are $2.00 each, spare turrets/guns are $1.25 each, and spare MG sprues are $1.75 each, plus shipping and handling. When ordering spare parts, please be sure to include the GHQ stock number of the pack that the parts come from, and give a description of the parts. We do our best to fill spare parts orders correctly, but spare parts orders are not returnable.
I have bought individual vehicles and/or spares from GHQ in the past using this approach, and found it to be very helpful to complete a unit (add the last vehicle or two to a formation of 16 or 17 vehicles) or put the odd leftover hull or turret to full use. But I've never tried building units of one or two vehicles before, and so I would be hesitant to advise this approach if you are not sure what you want to order.
Artillery, why dont the packs include crew? i only need say 2 guns but have to buy a pack of 50 odd crew....
Artillery vs. crews is an oft-discussed topic here on the forums. To my observation it seems that GHQ artillery, heavy weapons packs, and combat commands are optimized for GHQ's rules, which are at a 1-to-platoon unit scale. So 2 guns will equal two firing batteries.

This makes a bit of a challenge for those of us who game at 1-to-1 unit scales (I need 6 guns to make one battery, 18 to make a battalion for some of my armies). I don't know what unit scale "BKC" uses, but it sounds like an even higher scale than 1-to-platoon if you only need 1 or 2 of some items.

Still, GHQ products are pre-packaged, and they have to choose some quantity for each package. Given the variety of rules out there, I expect no matter what they choose, someone will want different package combinations.

So ...
Which pack do i have to buy to get vickers MGs for the brits, i bought the heavy weapon pack but there wasnt any MGs in it, i now have loads of light mortars and Bren guns.....
I suggest you contact GHQ directly, using the contact mechanism on this website.

I have communicated with their customer service many times, and have always found them to be very helpful folks. I think you will see that sentiment echo'd many places on this forum. They seem to go through their messages once daily -- at least I have always received a reply within 1 or 2 working days. So let them know what you are trying to find, and they will probably be most helpful to you.

Good luck.

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:23 am
by yorkie
Cheers for the quick replies,

MGs my fault, bought the wrong pack :oops:

Artillery, i suppose your right, buy one pack and ill never need another one.....

BKC- Blitzkrieg commander, if you click on my website (blog) you will see what im going on about!!

cheers again

steve

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:02 am
by Extra Crispy
Another thing to consider is the combat commands. You get a lot of troops but you also get some infantry, some crews etc. depending on the command you pick.

If you do end with a bunch of bits left over you can either save them for later projects or else put them up on E-bay, or offer to trade here or on Bartertown.

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:53 pm
by Panzerleader71
Good see you over here as well Yorkie. :D


Blitzkrieg Commander and its sister game Cold War Commander are based on the Warmaster system. BKC has become my WWII miniature game of choice. It is an easy to learn game, but still captures the element of maneuver and tactics exceptionally well. And it is a flexible system allowing games at the company (1 stand= 1 Squad of Infantry or 1 vehicle) level, up to larger echelons (1stand=1 platoon.) as well allows for all type of mini use (from 2mm up to 28mm.)

If you can find it I highly recommend it.

Yorkie, you may want to look at the combat commands. Most are good starter points for a BKC BG (American Combat Team, '41 K.Group, DCR, and most of the Soviet kits) are the best. Some, like the '44 K. Group, and the British kits are better bought as support elements for existing BKC BGs.

If you are looking to out fit a CWC BG then pretty much all of the Modern CCs GHQ will give you a good base.

Not sure about the moderns, but the WWII CCs I have pointed for BKC are about 1000 pts worth.

If you are looking for only one or two singles I think the price would be right, but anymore then one you would probably be better off buying the pack.

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:24 am
by Mickel
Buying five of one thing when you only need one can have one big advantage to the artistically inclined... multiple paint schemes. This largely applies to German vehicles, but also to some others. However, more usefully, it makes it easier to convince yourself to expand the theatres that you cover. Paint up that spare tank in desert, when the rest were grey and you have the beginnings of a North African force. Of course you will need to buy more things to go with it, which is a real shame. Paint another 'spare' in white and you've got winter covered. Naturally you'll need to get more stuff to paint white. It's what I've done with the 'fifth wheel' from the four vehicled 1:1 platoons.

And the nice thing about BKC is that you don't need a heck of a lot to build on those new theatres. Two or three packs - tank battalion done. I confess that I have been afflicted by this condition, on top of buy-faster-than-I-can-paint-itis. I'm not sure if anyone is working on a sure-fire cure for either of these. There is one that has been known to work in some instances, called 'marriage'. :twisted:

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:34 am
by Mk 1
Mickel wrote:I confess that I have been afflicted by this condition, on top of buy-faster-than-I-can-paint-itis.
I think I was used as the archtype case described in JAMA.
I'm not sure if anyone is working on a sure-fire cure for either of these. There is one that has been known to work in some instances, called 'marriage'.
Marriage only provides temporary symptomatic relief. After some period, the buying starts becoming easier. But with not only "marriage" but also the topical application of "children", it becomes progressively harder to paint, leading to a further complication of the general case, refered to as "what-the-h3ll-are-you-gonna-do-with-all-that-stuff-itis".

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:55 am
by Mk 1
cama wrote: Just the other day, I woke up, went downstairs to paint, and realized I was a sick man. My storage room was so full, I was using the floor, not just the three full wall shelves. The shelving is looking like it's bending.
Ah, but I have a remedy for that. Don't keep it all in one place!

I have my "bits box", right next to my "work in process" box, in a doored-off cabinet in our den. Then I have my "surplus" box, and my "ideas" box, and my "to be painted" box out in the garage with my "buildings and structures" box and my "trees and fields" box on my bench (that I can barely reach anymore), underwhich I keep my "supplies" box and my active army boxes. The "terrain" and the "felt covers" used to be on shelves on the garage wall, but they fell (tearing big gaping holes out of the sheetrock), and now are just in a pile on an old musty couch.

It is to the point where I can go digging about like an archeological expedition to see what I have! I am often surprised by what I find:

- "What the heck are these for? I don't remember buying them."
(German Protze light trucks.)
- "Aw crud, why did I go so far and never finish these?"
(USN Wildcats, US M3 Scout cars with crew figures, Soviet Zis AA trucks, etc etc.)
- "Wish I'd remembered that I had these babies when I painted up that other unit ....."
(Soviet Komsomolyets prime movers with limber and seated crews.)
- "Sheesh I must have bought those in 1993 or 4. Haven't I painted them YET?!?!"
(Soviet 76mm guns.)
So I have started doing only the most intelligent thing: thinning down.
Want to thin down? Buy from GHQ Europe. You can drop 30 - 40 pounds every week for a year!

I had a friend offer to paint some of my stuff. He does respectable work. I said yes, by all means. But I just can't bear to turn any of it over to someone else to paint! AAaaaaarrrgh!

Actually, I really do plan to paint it all up. Some day. Or over some days. Or weeks. Or months. Years. Decades maybe? ...
My name is Grant, and I am a gamer...
Hi Grant.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:45 am
by kgpanzer
welcome to the forum yorkie...another approach is just trading out your odd and ends with others on here....many folks here do like to trade from time to time

Cheers
Anthony

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:22 am
by yorkie
i ordered the heavy wpns pack, expecting to get a fair few HMGs etc in there, but i have got to say im a bit disapointed.

I really like the figs, great detail and no mould lines and minimal flash, however....

£6.70 for 4 vickers, 4 mortars, 2 atr and 2 piats, i really think its abit steep, considering the scale. (i dont need the piats or ATRs).

I suggest that a description of what is in the pack be put on the online catalogue etc.

just a suggestion

cheers.