Sick of Spoiled Sherman Seekers

JasonAfrika · Post by **JasonAfrika** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:45 pm

I know I will getted attacked on this one but here it goes-what is with all the ranting and raving about Shermans. GHQ makes 15, FIFTEEN!!! different versions of the SHerman, plus it gets its own accessories pack. When I hear guys whining about rivets, split hatches, raised decks, I just can't believe it. It's 1/285, work with what you have, which is 15 models!!!! There are so many important vehicles that we don't even have 1 model for. Sure if I look at my stuff under a microscope I might get all upset that the tires on my BTR-60 don't have the correct number of treads, but I don't. Yes I am all for historical accuracy but lets get real, GHQ over exaggerates its detail to make the model look better in 1/285 which is great, but it sure isn't historically accurate if you want to be e real stickler. IHow many of us have to scratch build and kit bash to get a model that just barely passes for a real life vehicle. Rivets?! Are you kidding me?! Spoiled Brats!!! LOL
OK that was fun, Fire Away guys, I'm ready, LOL.

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:48 am

Why get stressed out about other peoples' interests? GHQ is going to make what GHQ wants to make, and that's that.

Mk 1 · Post by **Mk 1** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:32 am

JA:

Why all the harsh words?

Sick of having to scratch-build oil barrels... spoiled brats who want the right Shermans for their armies ...

I expect you are just trying to stimulate talk among interested friends gathered around the virtual bar. Yes, sometimes one slaps a hand down on the bar and decries some frustration ... but you need to be careful, as some may interpret it as a challenge to the assembled throng. We don't need anyone starting bar-fights.

Let us consider the well-chosen words of our host, for how to make suggestions that might be more openly received...

GHQ wrote: -When suggeting new items try to keep from taking our past new releases personally. We regularly hear from people who are mad at us .... We aren't trying to snub anyone, we are trying to come up with items that our customers will want to buy (honestly, this is true!). Also, try not to insult us for not making your suggestion in the past.

'Tis a friendly little pond we swim in here. Let's try not to stir up the muck.

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:08 am

I'm glad there has been so much talk about kit bashing lately...it just occurred to me that the Su76i can be made into a passable StuIG33b, at least for my eyesight.

and slap a bigger barrel on a Nashorn & I have my Emil

Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:27 am

Though I agree there does seem to be a larger amount of Sherman variants in the GHQ arsenal, you do have to remember that the Sherman spans more then one era of Military History. As to people complaining about the detail of the minis not be accurate...shrug...can't think of anytime that someone has really done that, but I would have tuned it out regardless. Probably why I don't remember.

JasonAfrika · Post by **JasonAfrika** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:28 am

Wow, no sense of humor? I guess you guys didn't notice the 2 LOLs. The post was meant to be a tongue in cheek and stress the point that some forum members constantly ask for more and more obscure versions of models that already exist in droves,. And Mr MK I- what's with the talk about starting bar fights? Are you gonna beat me up cause I teased you guys about Shermans? I didn't see you or MrBig jumping all over the guys who were saying outright nasty things to GHQ when announced the new list. Take it easy they are just little toys.

pmskaar · Post by **pmskaar** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:28 pm

Where to begin here? GHQ asked for a well thought out list of 1 or 2 new items from each of us to submit and I gave a well reasoned statement on why I believe that GHQ could have another Sherman, in this case an M4A3. My reasons are already stated so I will not repeat them here in detail but suffice to say that the Sherman was probably produced in more variants and models than almost any other tank in WWII.
Currently GHQ makes 15 Shermans - that is true and doesn't count the 3 variants found in the accessory pack that they currently produce. In the area of American 75mm Shermans, I do believe they could easily do a couple more and I picked the one I thought would be most popular from a historical context. By doing the earlier M4A3, GHQ actually kills 3 birds with one stone so to speak by providing the turret with the spit hatch and wide mantlet that could be used on the M4A1 reasonably well and the later hull type with the split hatch and then those that want to can mix and match to create more individuality for their American forces. The additional accessory pack would allow modelers and gamers to create even more variety still.

I do take the tone of this original post somewhat personally. This starts with the title, "Sick of Spoiled Sherman Seekers" .

Really? I'm really not trying to cause anyone to have a bad physical reaction to my simple request. The post then goes on to say that we who might like a new 75mm Sherman are ranting and raving. It also accuses us of whining and being spoiled brats. I guess the word LOL is supposed to make everything okay but I don't understand the apparent vitriol coming from Jason. When making my choice, I didn't slam anyone else or tell them that that they were spoiled brats or to get a life.

There are posters on other forums that do cause "Flame Wars" and I hope that we here on the GHQ Forum can steer away from this kind of thing in the future. One of the reasons I like the Forum here is with the civility that people post their opinions and would like to keep it that way.

I have talked with Jason several times and have had him over to the house one time. We had a great time discussing our mutual interest in GHQ micro armor. We both live in the greater Phoenix metro area although on opposite ends of town. I consider Jason a friend. I also respect the fact that Jason really likes gaming modern period especially Post WWII African Wars. I would hope this respect is mutual.

As a side note, I really do enjoy seeing the reasons people have for what they want. I do hope that Troy, Cama, and ACW Bill get to see the Matilda I done in the not too distant future. I will probably pick up a few myself at some point. I hope Dr. Big gets the Sig 33 as well - again I will probably get a pack of these for future use. There are also many ships and aircraft that people mentioned that I might consider for future purchase.

That's all for now.

Pete - Binpicker, Out!

8ball · Post by **8ball** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:50 pm

Ya know what Jason? I agree with you. I too have trouble understanding why there are so many variants of Sherman, and why some guys here want yet another, even though the differences are so minute. But you know what? There's lots of stuff I don't understand that to me are even more peculiar, like why you even care about it. This is a unique, even peculiar hobby, and we are unique and perhaps even peculiar guys. That includes you and me. So the last thing any of us should be doing is passing judgement on the motives and desires of anyone else here.

Now, ol' binpicker here knows me personally, and he'll tell you I have a damned good sense of humor. In fact he might even say that I have the best freakin sense of humor of anyone he has ever met. I think just about anything is funny. Your posts are not funny. Attaching an lol emoticon to a post cannot hide the fact that it is a not-so-veiled insult.

So, now that we have settled that, why not get into the spirit of the site. Show Us Yer Stuff why don't you. If you bring a little more humility to the table, you will quickly see that there are some great, and really talented guys here. You'll learn a lot. But, if you'd rather be a smartass, then you will just as quickly find that people will stop paying attention to you.

So, how bout it?

pmskaar · Post by **pmskaar** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:01 am

I can attest to the fact that 8ball has an excellent sense of humor. He also lives in the Phoenix area and we are good friends. We do have periodic discussions of what GHQ should make next and what they should leave alone or maybe even do better. That is part of what makes this hobby so much fun in addition to the painting and playing.

Pete - Binpicker, Out!

JasonAfrika · Post by **JasonAfrika** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:46 am

OK enough already. I told you I was just trying to tease guys like Pete with the hopes of getting a witty response. You guys don't get my tongue in cheek humor, that's cool I do have a point with the Sherman though, 15 models!!! I never imagined I would get such uptight responses. Let's just forget the whole thing, it was sarcastic humor., I am sincerely sorry if I offended anyone. But lighten up, you act like I insulted your manhood. And since I know you guys are not hypocrits I'll expect to see the same rigorous policing of the forum by the new Phoenix PC Forum Police. In fact one of your boys is being rude to me and a new guy on a new post about civilians, right now. Gonna write him a ticket? Please don't write back, I'm outta here!!! The evil Jason Afrika is leaving the forum forever!!!!! Hooray!!!!! PS- We need more Shermans!!!! Peace Out.

CA-68 · Post by **CA-68** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:38 am

Now...what color to PAINT all these shermans, that is the question

Tim

8ball · Post by **8ball** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:47 am

That isn't at all the result I was looking for. Jason, if you look in again, c'mon back. I was too blunt. Binpicker only sided with me because I owe him a lot of money. Let's just drop the whole thing and move on. K?

Carl67 · Post by **Carl67** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:00 am

Can't we all just get along!! CA-68 (AKA TIM) TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON PAINT SELECTIONS FOR SHERMANS. GHQ olive drab and velajo Brown violet - white added to shade lighter are good choices, then hit with citadel flesh wash to pop out the detail and BAM!!!! instant war torn sherman all 15 variants of them.

CARL out

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:58 am

Carl67 wrote:TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON PAINT SELECTIONS FOR SHERMANS. GHQ olive drab and velajo Brown violet - white added to shade lighter
CARL out

OD is best lightened with yellow. White makes it chalky.

Literally, OD's hue is yellow. Very dark, low chroma yellow. Adding yellow injects more of the base hue. Adding white is just moving it on the grey scale.

I don't mean to offend anyone...it's a tricky color, & doesn't come with a user's manual

Post by **GHQ** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:07 pm

This seems to be spiraling out of control very quickly. We aren't taking sides, we just want to keep the forum an enjoyable place for people to come and exchange information and ideas. When posting anything that may be taken the wrong way, the best thing to do is write it out, and then go have something to eat or drink and come back and read it again. Keep in mind that sarcasm is often best left to the spoken word because many times the interpretation is lost for the audience when they can't hear the manner or tone that writer would have used if the item was spoken when they must read it instead. In addition, when posting on a forum a quick explanation to quickly put out any fires that come as a result of a misinterpreation is not always possible. For several years this forum has been able to stay clear of the nitpicking, and cheap shots that are found on many forums, let's try to keep it that way.

Thanks,
GHQ