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As opposed to those who like the "real world" armor, I like the Wehrmacht 47 line and so far the results have been great. In the future, I think GHQ should issue the following;
JagdE50-88/100
JagdE75-128/55, 150/38, 170/37
JagdE100-Krokodil-150/38, 170/37, 210/55
E75A (issued) 105/56 E75B-128/55
E100 B turret 150/38, C turret 170/37
MAUS same as E100
Gerat 58 Flugabwehrkanone 55 mm
Alligator Twin 88 on MAUS or E100 chassis
Kanone 4 24cm field gun on two Tiger Mark VI chassis on each end]
Kanone 38 21cm field gun mounted as Kanone 4
BergeTiger and BergeTiger P (ARVs) using Tiger VI and Porsche Tiger VI aufs F
Flakpanzer 38 SPAAG on widened Hetzer chassis twin or triple 30mm, 37mm or 50mm guns
SdKfz 351/20 UHU
SdKfz 351/8 combat ambulance
SdKfz 351/7 combat engineer (Pioniere)
SdKfz 352/1 ammunition carrier with tracked trailer
Of course, I realize that Harlan has already placed most of these on his suggestions for Wehrmacht 47 and that a good number of these could not be produced any time soon but as a long term plan, I think most of these would be popular. Many would disagree and that is their right.
I like the Wehr 47 E50 company and the Wehr 47 combat group. They make collection of a larger number of advanced vehicles easier. I have purchased the long barrel M26, the T44, the Soviet APC, and British Centurion and Tortoise. I do plan to use these in miniature combat after developing a solitaire game encompassing massed armor.

Although I am currently only purchasing Micronauts, the Wehrmacht ’47 series does interest me. My disagreement with your list is that it continues to lean too heavily towards the Germans. I think the allies need more 1947-era weapons. Here is my list in response:

Soviets:
T-54 medium tank
Su-101 assault gun with 100 mm D-10S
Su-102 assault gun with 122 mm D-25-44S

British
Combat engineer and recovery versions of the Centurion.
A30 Avenger self-propelled anti-tank
Ferret reconnaissance vehicle.
Coventry 4x4 armored car
T17 Deerhound 6x6 armored car
M38 Wolfhound 6x6 armored car
T18 Boarhound 8x8 armored car.

US M41 Howitzer Motor Carriage (155 mm howitzer on a modified M24 hull)
M37 Howitzer Motor Carriage (105 mm howitzer on a modified M24 hull)
T38 Mortar Motor Carriage (4.2 inch mortar on modified M24 hull)
T96 Mortar Motor Carriage (breech-loading 155 mm mortar on modified M24 hull)
M19 Gun Motor Carriage (twin 40 mm anti-aircraft guns on a modified M24 hull)
T77E1 (six 0.50-inch machine guns in an enclosed mount on a standard M24 hull)
T85E1 (four 20 mm cannon on modified M24 hull)
T6E1 recovery vehicle based on the M24 hull
M75 armored personnel carrier
T26E2: Infantry support version with 105 mm howitzer (I think it could have carried a 120 mm or 155 mm howitzer.)
T29: Hull lengthened from six to eight road wheels, armor increased, more powerful engine & transmission and new larger turret with 105 mm T5 gun
T30: Same hull and turret as T29 but with 155 mm gun T7
T32: Hull lengthened to seven road wheels, armor increased and T15E1 gun fitted, more powerful engine & transmission
T34: Same hull and turret as T29 but with 120 mm gun T53 (same barrel as the heavy anti-aircraft gun)
T92 Howitzer Motor Carriage: 240 mm howitzer mounted on modified T32 chassis
T93 Gun Motor Carriage: 8 inch gun mounted on same hull as T92
T31 cargo carrier: Support for T92 and T93 but same size hull as M26
Armored engineer and tank recovery versions of the M26
Heavy Tank, T28 (Gun Motor Carriage T95): 105 mm T5E1 gun mounted in the hull of a wicked-looking assault vehicle with dual tracks

M26 company and mechanized infantry combat group based on M75
Centurion company and mechanized infantry combat group based on APC version of Coventry
T44 or T54 tank company and mechanized combat group based on Soviet APC

Don S.

I could not agree with you more, Don. The Allies should and will, I think, have the vehicles needed to cope with the German tracks. In fairness, I think my recommendations are too much and yours are about right to balance things out. The Wehrmach 47 line should include at least the Hummel for mobile artillery. The Wappenschlepper 128/55 would be a good addition in case the Hummel is considered obsolete. Germans seemed to like the dismounted guns although the Wappenschleppers as issued by GHQ are standard mountings;.

Sorry, but I don't understand your comment about the Wehrmacht 47 line needing a Hummel. This is already available as G110. Or, are you proposing a "Hummel II" based on one of the newer chassis?

In the Wehrmacht 47 line, GHQ already makes a Waffentrager I fur 8.8 cm PaK 43/L71. This same or similar chassis could also mount the 12.8 cm L55 or the 15 cm /L29.5. A larger-chassis Waffentrager II would be a logical replacement for the Hummel. Also, GHQ has scheduled a GeschutzWagen Tiger fur 17 cm Kanone. This would be a logical successor/upgrade to the Hummel and an equivalent to the US T92 and T93.

Since you mentioned the German 24 cm Kanone 4 and 21 cm Kanone 38, I would add the M65 280 mm gun developed about 1950 by the US.

Don S.

T-42 for the US

T-42 was to the Pershing what the MBT-70 was to the Patton

Yes - PLEASE make the T28 (Gun Motor Carriage T95) for the allies. It is the coolest looking AFV of all time. And would have been there if the Germans had hunkered down til 47'.

...the Hummel I meant was the 15cm SP mount as was used during the war. The Waffentrager with 88mm/71 is an excellent anti-tank weapon but a heavier artillery piece is needed so the 17cm would do nicely.
I agree that the T28 is ideal for use against Maus and E-100 and the Tortoise is as well but both are slower than the E-100. On the other hand, their deck armor is decidedly better than E-100 or Maus.
The US 280mm Atomic Annie (even with conventional shells) has to be included. (Well, it would be nice to be included). The Soviets had a 406mm gun deployed facing backwards and operational in the early fifties. It could be included as well.

Personally I want Hungarian what-ifs, the TAS 44M tank and TAS 45M assault gun, 43M Lahel APC, and 215mm AT rockets (which were used in Budapest). Turan III and Toldi IIIM with side skirts would be nice as well

Mark

The other models I want are French:
AMX-50
ARL V39 75mm SPG on Char B
75mm SAu-40 75mm SPG on Somua S-40
Foches assault gun
47mm SA39 and 75mm TAZ SA39 ATG (on cruciform trails)
Panhard AM50P 8x8 armoured car with 47mm
Panhard 178B with 47mm (used by Syria and French in Indo-China I think)

The M38 Deerhound 6x6 armoured car is fairly unique for the US, especially as it can carry the M24 Chaffee turret, GHQ can make one hull, Staghound turret for the 37mm version, and Chaffee turret for that version.

Avenger and Churchill Kangeroo for the Brits would be nice, even better if we had all the Burney RCLs (now there is your real Maus-killer).

And for the Russians, IS-IV, Is-7 and ISU-130. The Skyrex IT-130 is actually an ISU-130, but it doesn't have the angled armour of the prototype.

Mark

Waffentrager 128mm, the Grille 17cm Tiger (which is coming), and the various caliber turrets for the Maus and E-100, E75, E-50 and the AA batteries for Maus and E-100..
There are so many variants and slight differences between same that the entire lot could not be issued in my lifetime.
Allied wonder weapons of 1946-55 (approximate time line) would include Atomic Annie with an atomic 15 kg shell and many other improved US tanks. I really believe that GHQ will be able to issue Micronauts, GHQ Civil War, WWII and Modern varieties in acceptable quanties to please most gamers and collectors. If not, just continue to make your feelings known.
Bob/Schwerepunkt

GHQ’s new model of the Geschutzenwagen Tiger fur 17cm K72 (g546) is an impressive figure. I am a bit skeptical of the plain round baseplate – I would have expected some texturing to provide a better grip on the ground. Otherwise, recoil would push back the mount on every round fired.

I hope that GHQ will provide the companion piece mounting the 21cm howitzer. If not, it should be a fairly simple conversion to alter the barrel – everything else is identical in appearance. The related carriers for 30.5cm mortar and 42cm mortar would differ in appearance – no opening in the front of the fighting compartment and a totally different gun mounting. GHQ should also produce (at least one of) these.

There are also several Geschutzenwagen based on the Panther chassis. Any of these would fit nicely into the Wermacht 47 scenario as the E-50 replaced the Panther as the primary combat tank.

I would also like GHQ to produce the US equivalents to these German vehicles. These are the T-93 8â€￾ gun motor carrier and T-92 240mm howitzer motor carrier (on lengthened Pershing chassis). Likewise, the Soviets produced a similar type tracked gun in the post-war years (can’t remember the designation right now). It’s too bad the British had nothing to match. They would have used the US vehicles but a hypothetical mount on a Centurion chassis would be interesting.

As far as Americans in WM47, how about their first fully-enclosed, full tracked armored utility vehicle, the monstrous M44 AUV? The bus on tracks could carry two full infantry squads, 25 passengers, which was way too big for the budget-strangled post-war Army but until the advent of the T18 AUV, it was the only fully-enclosed show in town. Surprisingly, its footprint is no bigger than the current day Bradley (and had six road wheels per side like same), and not much taller, about the same size as an M270 MLRS...but it looks huge and imposing next to any halftrack short of the Famo. They actually standardized it in 1945, and built about six of them for evaluation, but nothing came of it. The chassis would later emerge as the M8 high speed tractor, which was produced in some numbers and towed heavy artillery for a few years in the late '50s until replaced by the M123 10-ton truck (but I digress). Apparently the Army thought they were going to get the M44 post-war, because both the 1948 edition field manuals and T/O&Es feature the M44 AUV, but until the T18 was standardized as the M75 AIV in 1952, they had to make due with M3A1 halftracks and a few hundred M39 AUVs (both open top). Armed with one .50cal in a ring mount toward the rear of the massive roof, the crew also had a .30cal bow gun that could be removed and mounted externally over either of the side doors as required. Fitted with the same Continental radial engine used in the M18 Hellcat tank destroyer (and using M24 suspension components), the M44's top speed was 32mph, so it could keep up with even the M46 Patton tank. The M44 was the only fully-enclosed, full tracked, rear exit prototype APC that actually made it to production in 1945, and for that it is a very interesting vehicle to me
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