MODERN ONLY THREAD

Luthfats · Post by **Luthfats** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:27 am

Didnt know if we have one of these but me personally and probably plenty of others would want to see loads of modern games, vehicles, tips and paintjobs together in one thread so go ahead and post guys i just opened it up for you

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:28 pm

Great idea, dedicated modern thread.
Btw, we are playing modern micro armor on Sunday, Feb 26 starting at noon just south of Jacksonville, FL. You are welcome. thinking of first game in the Panama can-al (water way through panama, the other word is censored) with the Chinese holding it, ready to sabatoque it. The Panamians Defence Force there not sure what to do, and then the US attacking to protect the can-al. This idea had more appeal than Cuba invading an island that Mexico has controlled for 200 years that Cuba used to control. Now great wealth has been discovered on the island and the Cubans plan to take the island back.

If time for another game, probably play European senario.

If you need an address or phone let me know.

Luthfats · Post by **Luthfats** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:09 am

Sounds great, i'd love to except um, i'm only 15 and i live in Australia but my ultimate goal is to live in America hahaha, so i would love to see that game but i most definatly cant

But someday

However you are welcome to post any pictures of that game on to this thread, i know id love to get this one going with a new type of game, panama sounds great and different so if you or a mate take any photos during this game i'm sure we'd all love to see it

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:03 am

What modern stuff are you working on? What force or unit structure are you planning to utilize?
What modern scratch building are you working on or re-working?

I have built some gun trucks for Iraq and Afganastan. Need to finish them and paint them.

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:23 am

bump... some old stuff, to see what new info we can all share and learn from.....

Noble713 · Post by **Noble713** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:23 am

chrisswim wrote:What modern stuff are you working on? What force or unit structure are you planning to utilize?

2010+ USMC MAGTF. Should end up about 1-2 companies worth of infantry with AAV, Abrams, and aviation support. I'm still writing rules/an army list for my custom version of Epic: Armageddon.

I also started an army list for the Chinese Marines, but it's nowhere near as well developed.

I think have a partially-painted US Army Stryker company....somewhere.

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:16 am

Noble,
So how many vehicles of each type or better yet, what will your planned structure be?
Also, will each vehicle represent 1 vehicle or a platoon, or a company? I look forward to your insight, thank you.

Noble713 · Post by **Noble713** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:36 pm

I'll be gaming at 1:1.

Here's the USMC force structure I've concocted for Epic. Basically a heavily-reinforced infantry company.

1x Rifle Platoon w/2 MG Squads attached (Supporting Element 1)
---9x riflemen stands, 4x M240 stands
1x Rifle Platoon w/1 MG Squad attached (Supporting Element 2)
---9x riflemen stands, 2x M240 stands
These two platoons are meant to occupy Support By Fire positions on foot and then largely stay put and shoot.

1x Rifle Platoon, as 3 separate rifle squads with a SMAW squad attached
This platoon is the Main Effort/Maneuver element, so operating it as independent squads gives finer-grained control/bounding as it maneuvers to the objective.
---each rifle squad = 3x riflemen stands + 1x SMAW stand
---each squad has 1xAAV7 attached for transportation

Mortar Section (the remains of the Weapons Platoon, which has largely been tasked out to the other platoons)
--3x 60mm mortar stands

1x Abrams Platoon
---4x Abrams tanks

Aviation Support:
Fixed Wing
2x FA/18 or F-35 (my current rules have the F-18 w/ 2xMaverick and 2xGBU-16, while the F-35 has 8xSmall Diameter Bombs)
1x MQ-9 Reaper (4xHellfire, 2xGBU-12)
Rotary Wing
2x AH-1Z (4xHellfire, 2xRocket Pods)

^This is more like a battalion's-worth of Close Air Support assets, but if you assume that this company is the Battalion Main Effort, it's possible that they've tasked all their aviation to provide direct support to the Main Effort leaving the Supporting Effort companies just SOL.

CASEVAC Assets:
1xMV-22 or 1xCH-53 (I think I bought an Osprey....)

I still need to work out the details for:
-Scout Snipers
-MARSOC teams
-FiST (Fire Support Team)
-CAAT (Combined Anti-Armor Teams....these used to be Humvees w/TOWS and other heavy weapons but I bought M-ATVs....because they're cool)
-offboard arty

sultanbev · Post by **sultanbev** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:28 am

We play 1:1 with 1 base of figures = 1 squad, but fight battalion sized games.
I generally work on 2 Tank COmpanies, 1 Mechanised Company, 1 Bttn support company and HQ, brigade recce platoon, battery, AA and armoured engineers where appropriate. Where an army has different tank types, I then work up extra companies of each, until I might have full tank battalions.

Current armies I'm working on:
Cold War Soviets
1980s Algerians (sort of general purpose Arab too)
1980s Swedish
1980s Norwegian
1989 Turkish 16th Mechanised Brigade
Bringing my 1980s-90s Omani army up to 2010 ish
Chinese 1980s-2010
1980s Singaporean army
Painting up aircraft flights for each nation.

Most of my models are however non-GHQ, so am not sure if I can comment further

Mark

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:40 am

Sultanbev,
For Russians, T-72 or T-80s, what apc?
Algerians: what are you using for them?
Swedes, S-tanks, Ibv-91, Pbv 302? Anything else?
Norway, NM-113, what are you using? I used some I bought somewhere, also used some M113 with a Russian Hvy MG turret offset from center(do not remember which one now, would have to go look).
Turkey: M60, Leopard 1, what else, YPR substitute?

So let us know what type of vehicle you are using, this is great what you have.

piersyf · Post by **piersyf** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:57 am

WW2 is my main interest, but over the years I acquired a small collection of moderns; M113's, M60's, BMP 1, T62, T72 atc. Could never find a TO&E that fitted and I was interested in developing, so I went with another approach; I use OPFOR manuals. I have a vehicle park that I can assemble a blue force and orange force from. I even have a small group of unimogs and landrovers for mercenaries (for any of you that have played Farcry 2).

Only restrictions are: no force post year 2000 (not into ultra moderns at all), any equipment must have been used on multiple continents, must have been used by minor nations (so Leopard 1 is out for me).

I have one actual unit; a Marine MEU (reinforced battalion) with the air wing. I'm close to being able to put together an Iraqi armoured brigade from 1991 as well.

My WW2 Russians are able to supply elements for Korea and the Middle East (T34/85, Su76, Su100 etc)

Forces are assembled as per Sultanbev's method.

voltigeur · Post by **voltigeur** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:35 pm

2010+ USMC MAGTF. Should end up about 1-2 companies worth of infantry with AAV, Abrams, and aviation support. I'm still writing rules/an army list for my custom version of Epic: Armageddon.

A MAGTF is built around an Infantry Battallion. The battallion has 5 companies 3 line, an HQ and a Weapons compnay has the 81mm Mortars the rest is usually parceled out to the line companies.

The rest of the MAGTF is task organized based on the expected mission. Usually you have the assets to carry 2 compaies on AAV and 2 companies on Helo's (or Osprey's now)

Tom Clancy has an accurate accounint in his book MEU.

I never ever use army list. I only work of of actual TO&E's. THis means I don't do points either.

sultanbev · Post by **sultanbev** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:38 pm

"Sultanbev,
For Russians, T-72 or T-80s, what apc?"

My Soviets go back to 1950, so I have a battalion of T-54 M49, a battalion of T-44, numerous T-55, T-62, T-62E, T-72, T-64, Is-2m, Is-III, T-10M and T-80BV. Never enough though! I aiming for a full battalion of each type, to cover all options. Most will be plain green for use in the Cold War. Some of these models are over 30 years old and still going strong!
Infantry, mostly in BTR-152, BMP-1, MT-LB and BMP-2, just bought a company each of BTR-50PK, BTR-60PA, BTR-60PB.
For post-Cold War Russians I have some TOS-1, am just waiting for someone to make the BMO-T (T-72 HAPC) to make a flamethrower battalion

Mark

sultanbev · Post by **sultanbev** » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:35 am

"Sultanbev,
Algerians: what are you using for them?"
It's all Soviet-era stuff, but with West German trucks alongside traditional Soviet ones.
As it's general purpose arab army, I have invested a lot in this, building a T-72 Bttn, T-62 and T-55 companies, a BMP-1 battalion with one company on BMP-2 (they introduced BMP-2 from the late 1980s, so there would be a point where a Mech Bttn has a mix of companies), a para company in 4x Mil-8C, Motorised coys in BTR-152 and BTR-60PB, various AAA, SAM and artillery batteries, including a full 122mm bttn and MRL bttn of BM-21 and BM-24; BRDM-3 Spandrel.
Just bought a load of bits to cover Egyptians as well, eg 85mm D44, 37mm M39 AA, 85mm AA, 100mm AA, BRDM-2/Sagger, 100mm ATG, T-62s to make a full battalion.

Swedes: Yes, S-tanks, Ibv-91, Pbv 302, plus BK-1A, BV-206, TGB11 Jeep+ 90mm, and Centurions. Just waiting on H&R to make the rest of the models I need. Need RBS-70 SAM teams as well, and having to convert 105mm T4140 howitzers from 122mm D30 and 88mm FLak36 cruciforms.

Norway: Poor sods used M48A2 right up to 1987, which I have a company of, plus infantry in vanilla M113, and BV-202, with crude conversions of the latter to carry 81mm mortars and 106mm M40.

Turkey: I'm doing a particular unit, the 16th Mech Bde at c1989, which was based outside of NATO command on the Iraq/Iran border, so will be useful for fighting GW1 Iraqi armies, and indeed Soviet TransCaucasus MD forces or Iranians. M48A5T1, M113, lots of M106s; M150 TOW, M52 SP 105mm, 40mm Bofors, towed M55 quad .50" AA.
and no one makes the M44 155mm SP, a standard NATO Cold War SP artillery piece.

I like my Omani army, as it has Chieftains, M60A1/A3, infantry in Fahds and 1t Landrovers, 122mm D30, Scorpion light tanks, and to upgrade to 1995+ can add Piranhas, 155mm G6 (the coolest looking SP artillery piece ever

), Challenger 2, and from 2010 a few Centauro 8x8 armoured cars with 120mm guns.
Their Royal Guard has 6x6 VAB variants, some unique which will have to be conversions.

kfeltenberger · Post by **kfeltenberger** » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:20 pm

I'm working on building a modern Israeli armored brigade, probably the 7th stationed in the Golan. The hardest part is finding a TOE list that doesn't reference vehicles that have been retired for years and doesn't have too many inaccuracies. Until then, I'll buy and paint miniatures and use a best guess based on the two or three TOEs that I've found.