Possible W47 New Releases 2012/2013

[Donald M. Scheef]

Here are a few more possible W47 new releases for 2012-2013

Deutschland:

Panzerjäger E-100 with 15cm gun (modified AA gun or naval gun)

Turreted E-25 with 7.5cm KwK L/70

Turreted E-10 with 5 cm KwK L/60

Panzerkampfwagen auf Einheitsfahrgestell III/IV
Sturmgeschutz auf Einheitsfahrgestell

Panzer 38D
Aufklaerer 38D mit 2cm Haengelafette
Aufklaerer 38D mit 7.5cm AKF L/48
Jagdpanzer 38D mit 7.5cm Pak 42 L/70
8.8 cm PaK 43 auf Panzerjäger 38D
Sturmgeschutz 38D mit 10cm haubize 42/2
Flakpanzerwagen 38D “Kugelblitzâ€￾

8.8 cm PaK 43 auf Krupp/Steyer Selbstfahrlaffette
Waffenträger Große I with 7.5 cm PaK 42 L/70
Waffenträger Große I with 10.5 cm L/28 howitzer
Grille 10; 10.5 cm LeFH 43/35 on Panther-based chassis
Grille 12: 12.8cm K43/44 on Panther-based chassis
Grille 15; 15 cm sFH 43/44 on Panther-based chassis
Grille 30/42; 30.5 cm GrW (mortar) L/16 and 42 cm GrW on Tiger II-based chassis

Flakpanzer V with 8.8cm
Flakpanzer E-50 with 8.8cm
E-50 hull with twin 5.5 cm antiaircraft guns “Falke.â€￾
E-100 chassis with twin 8.8 cm antiaircraft guns “Alligatorâ€￾

Panzergrenadier command group: SdKfz351/6 company command vehicle, SdKfz351/3 radio communications vehicle, SdKfz351/12 plotting and survey vehicle, SdKfz351/15 radar spotting vehicle, SdKfz351/18 armored observation vehicle

SdKfz350/8 7.5cm L/24 support gun
SdKfz350/10 anti-tank vehicle with 8.8cm Raketenwerfer or 10.5cm Leichtgeschutz 42
SdKfz350/11 anti-tank missile carrier with Rotkäppchen or Rochen
SdKfz350/14 anti-aircraft vehicle with triple MG151/20, twin 3.0cm, or single 3.7cm
SdKfz350/16 light armored recovery vehicle
SdKfz351/4 armored munitions carrier
SdKfz351/5 as armored reconnaissance vehicle
SdKfz351/7 armored engineer assault vehicle (my hypothetical version)
SdKfz351/16 flamethrower vehicle
SdKfz351/24 12cm mortar carrier

7.5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 42 aA (alter Art), 7.5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 37, or 7.5 cm Infanteriegeschütz 42

10.5 cm leichtes Feldhaubitze 43: Krupp Entwurf 1 or Skoda version

24 cm Kanone 4 and 30.5 cm Haubitze 4: Krupp design with dual-recoil box-trail mounting (like the highly-regarded 17 cm Kanone 18 in Mörserlafette) but had a unique transport mode. Each end of the box had a fifth-wheel pin. Two Panzerkampfwagen VI chasses (made redundant by introduction of E-75) with fifth-wheel connectors would pick up the chassis and, working in tandem, move the piece in one load

5.5 cm Gerät 58 Flugabwehrkanone

8 cm Panzerabwehrwerfer 600 (later, 8 cm PWK 8H63)
10 cm Panzerabwehrwerfer 1000 (later 10 cm PWK 10H64)

Since GHQ has promised a Me 262 for the 2012-2013 season, I am replacing it with the Blohm & Voss P194: This was an asymmetric design for ground support and attack aircraft, an advanced development of the Bv 141. The P194 had a single radial engine and added a turbojet mounted in the rear of the cockpit pod.

Dornier Do 335

Focke Achgelis Fa 223: medium-weight helicopter with two sets of blades mounted wide on either side of the fuselage


France

AMX-50B (AMX-68t?): Heavy tank with chassis similar to Tiger II but with 120 mm gun in an oscillating turret.

Immediately after the war, the French used a number of Panther tanks left behind by the Germans. Hypothetically, they might have mounted a 100 mm gun in an oscillating turret

Chasseur de Chars (1945): medium tank with 90mm gun in oscillating turret

Char 48FCM: quadruple 20 mm turret AMX-13 chassis
AMX-DCA (AMX-13/S530): twin 30 mm turret mounted on the AMX-13 chassis
AMX-D (AMX-13 Modéle 55): recovery vehicle
AMX-13 PDP: bridge layer
AMX-105: self-propelled 105 mm howitzer on modified AMX-13 chassis
AMX Mk F3 (AMX-155): 155 mm howitzer in open mount on modified AMX-13 chassis
AMX-VTT: original version of the AMX-VCI with a light machine gun in an open mount instead of the heavier gun in a turret
AMX-LT: artillery fire control version of the AMX-VCI
AMX-PC: command vehicle version of the AMX-VCI
AMX-VCA: support vehicle (crew and ammunition) for the AMX Mk F3
AMX-VCG: combat engineer version of the AMX-VCI
AMX-VCPM de 81 and VCPM de 120: mortar carriers
AMX-VCTB: ambulance version

TT6 reconnaissance vehicle

EBR-75 armored car

Dassault MD.450 Ouragan; single-engine jet fighter of conventional layout

The SNCAC NC.2001 ‘Abeille’ medium-sized helicopter using intermeshing rotors


Hungary

TAS 44M: this was a medium tank carrying the same 7.5-cm KwK 42 /70 gun as the German Panther.
TAS 45M Arpad: this was an assault gun version of the TAS 44M. The intended armament was the 8.8-cm KwK 36 L/56 as on the German Tiger tank.
43M Lahel A: this was a fully-tracked armored personnel carrier based on the 43M Zrínyi chassis. The personnel compartment was essentially an open-topped armored box.


Italy (Thanks to TAMMY for correction)

Carro Armato P 30/43 – This was a design only for an improved version of the P 26/40; enlarged and more heavily armed and armored. The armament may have been a version the Cannone da 90/53 anti-aircraft gun, but I think the Cannone 75/46 would have been more likely. Good enough in 1944, it probably would have been replaced by something better by 1947.

Semovente M42L da 105/25 - This was a self-propelled howitzer on the chassis of the M42 tank. The few built were used by the Germans after the Italian armistice. It would have been outdated by 1947.

Semovente P40 da 149/40 - This was a self-propelled gun on a modified chassis of the P26/40 heavy tank. Despite the limitations of inadequate space for crew and ammunition (requiring a separate support vehicle), the quality of the gun would have made this a useful artillery piece into 1947.


Japan

Chi-Nu (Medium Tank Type 3): An improvement of the Chi-Ha with a larger turret and a high-velocity 75 mm gun.

Chi-To (Medium Tank Type 4): The Japanese considered this their equivalent of the German Panther. The chassis was similar to the Chi-Ha with a seventh wheel added to each side. A well-shaped turret mounted a high-velocity 75 mm gun

Chi-Ri (Medium Tank Type 5): The Japanese considered this their equivalent of the German Tiger. The chassis was similar to the Chi-Ha but with eight wheels on each side. The turret was to contain a 85-to-100 mm gun

Ho-Ha (Half-tracked armored personnel carrier Type 1): This was similar in concept to the German Sd.Kfz.251, but less sophisticated and slightly larger. A small number were encountered in the Philippines and in China

Ho-Ki (Fully-tracked armored personnel carrier Type 1): Same engine and tracked chassis as the Ho-Ha with an open-topped rear compartment

Rikugun Ki-93
Kyushu J7W Shinden (Magnificent Lightning)


Soviet Union

T-54 tank, early version
Su-102; 122 mm D-25-44S gun on modified T-35/T-44 chassis
BTR-152 armored personnel carrier

122 mm Field Gun D-74
152 mm Gun-Howitzer D-20
180 mm Gun S-23

Tractor, Artillery, Full-Track, light (M2 and AT-L)
Tractor, Artillery, Full-Track, medium (AT-S)
Tractor, Artillery, Full-Track, heavy (AT-T)

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-9

Tupolev Tu-2


United Kingdom

FV201 (A45) Caernarvon infantry tank; 105-mm gun
FV214 Conqueror with a 120-mm gun
FV222 Conqueror armored recovery vehicle
FV??? Conqueror self-propelled artillery

On Centurion chassis:
FV3801: gun tractor
FV3802: 25-pdr gun/howitzer
FV3803: command vehicle
FV3804: ammunition vehicle
FV3805: 5.5-inch gun/howitzer
FV3806: 7.2-inch gun/howitzer
FV3807: 120-mm anti-tank gun
FV3808: US 155-mm gun or 8-inch howitzer
FV3809: 155-mm anti-tank gun
FV4001: mine clearing vehicle
FV4002: bridge layer on standard tank chassis with no turret
FV4003: AVRE with 165-mm demolition gun in turret and dozer blade
FV4004: Conway tank destroyer; 120-mm anti-tank gun
FV4005: Conway tank destroyer; 185-mm!!! anti-tank gun
FV4006: armored recovery vehicle
FV4008: Centurion duplex drive
FV4016: Centurion ARK
FV4018: Centurion BARV
FV4019: Centurion bulldozer

FV301: a 21-ton tank mounting the 17-pdr gun
FV302: command vehicle
FV303: 20-pdr self-propelled anti-tank gun in semi-turret
FV304: 25-pdr self-propelled gun/howitzer in semi-turret.
FV305: 5.5-inch self-propelled gun/howitzer in open mount.
FV306: armored recovery vehicle
FV308: artillery tractor
FV309: artillery section vehicle
FV310: armored personnel carrier
FV311: armored load carrier

Black Prince turret-mounted 105-mm howitzer
Black Prince AVRE
Black Prince Toad flail tank
Black Prince Kangaroo infantry carrier

Charioteer tank destroyer (FV4101 Cromwell heavy AT gun)

Coventry armored car

4.5 inch Medium Gun

32 pdr Anti-Tank Gun
55 pdr Anti-Tank Gun

6 pdr 6 cwt Anti-Aircraft Gun

3.7 inch Mk 1 Recoilless Gun
95 mm Mk 1 Recoilless Gun
“Wombatâ€￾ 120mm recoilless rifle

Truck, 4 x 4, ½ ton GS, Rover 8 (Land Rover)
Truck, 4 x 4, ¾ ton GS, Rover 9 (Land Rover)
Humber FV1600 1-ton 4 x 4 truck
Carrier, Windsor, Mark I* (Ford C49WC) (expansion of Universal Carrier)
Tractor, Light Artillery, ¾ Track (AEC Matador)
Tractor, 6 x 6, Light Artillery (Dennis Octolat)
Tractor, Field Artillery, ¾ Track (Bedford BT ‘Traclat’)
Tractor, Wheeled, 10 ton, GS, 6 x 6, Medium Artillery, Leyland
Tractor, 6 x 6, Heavy Artillery (AEC)

de Havilland Vampire

Gloster Meteor

Martin-Baker M.B.5

Hawker ‘Sea Fury’


USA

T26E1: with improved T54 90 mm gun
T26E2: Infantry support version with 120 mm howitzer
T26E5: Up-armored assault design
M28A1: Improved M3A1 gun – post-war production version
T29: Hull lengthened from six to eight road wheels, armor increased, more powerful engine & transmission and new larger turret with 105 mm T5 gun
T30: Same hull and turret as T29 but with 155 mm gun T7
T32: Hull lengthened to seven road wheels, armor increased and T15E1 gun fitted, more powerful engine & transmission
T34: Same hull and turret as T29 but with 120 mm gun T53
T92 Howitzer Motor Carriage: 240 mm howitzer mounted on modified T32 chassis
T93 Gun Motor Carriage: 8 inch gun mounted on same hull as T92
T31 cargo carrier: Support for T92 and T93 but same size hull as M26
Armored engineer vehicle on M26 chassis
Tank recovery versions on M26 chassis

M74 armored recovery vehicle

M27 medium tank and support versions:
Jumboâ€￾ type with 105 mm howitzer
Duplex drive amphibious assault
M27 with dozer blade
M27 with mine exploder rollers
Crocodile flame thrower
M27 with T34, T40, or T72 rocket launcher
Tank recovery vehicle
Tank destroyer with 90 mm gun
Gun Motor Carriage with 155 mm gun
Howitzer Motor Carriage with 8 inch howitzer
T94 Mortar Motor Carriage with 240 mm breach-loading mortar
Cargo carrier
British types on the same hull: Achilles with 20 pdr, Ark, Kangaroo, Firefly, and Scorpion

On M24 hull or modified version:
M37 Howitzer Motor Carriage: 105 mm howitzer (similar in concept to the M7 Priest)
T38 Mortar Motor Carriage: 4.2 inch mortar in a similar superstructure
T96 Mortar Motor Carriage: breech-loading 155 mm mortar
M41 Howitzer Motor Carriage: 155 mm howitzer on a modified M24 hull
T16E1 Gun Motor Carriage: 4.5 inch (~ 114 mm) gun on the same mount,
Mxx: ammunition carrier version of the same chassis
T77E1: six 0.50-inch machine guns in an enclosed mount on a standard M24 tank hull
T85E1: four 20 mm cannon in an open mount on a hull similar to the M19
T85 quad 20mm enclosed mount on M24 chassis
T6E1: recovery vehicle based on the M24 hull
Mxx: armored engineer vehicle
M44 armored utility vehicle
APC based on a minimally modified M24 chassis (e.g., the M41 HMC)

M41 Bulldog light tank
M42 Duster twin 40mm anti-aircraft
105mm HMC
4.2 inch MMC
155mm MMC
155mm HMC
4.5 inch GMC
Armored recovery vehicle
M75 armored personnel carrier

M38 Wolfhound 6-wheel armored car

LVTP-5 landing vehicle
LVTH-6 amphibious self-propelled howitzer

3 in Anti-Tank Gun T18
76 mm Anti-Tank Gun T3 on T4E2 carriage
90 mm Anti-Tank Gun T13 on Carriage T9
105 mm Anti-Tank Gun T8

75 mm Recoilless Rifle M20
Rocket Launcher M20 “Super Bazookaâ€￾
90mm Recoilless Rifle M67
105mm Recoilless Rifle T19
106mm recoilless rifle M40
155mm Recoilless Howitzer T4

90mm AA gun M2
75mm AA gun M35 “Skysweeperâ€￾

Truck, ¾ ton, 4 x 4, Cargo (Ford GAJ) (low-profile)
Truck, 1½ ton, 4 x 4, Cargo (Ford GTB, Chevrolet G-7129, or Studebaker LC4) (low-profile)
Truck, 2½ ton, 6 x 6, Cargo (GMC DCKW-3, International M-6-6, or Studebaker LA6x6) low-profile)
Truck, Armored, Half-track, 2½ ton (Diamond T, Mack, or White) (for transport in rough terrain combat)
Cargo Carrier, Fully-tracked, T33 (based on M24 Chaffee chassis; could have appeared as M7 High-speed Tractor)
Tractor, High-speed, 26-ton, M8 (based on M41 Walker Bulldog chassis)

Douglas A-26 ‘Invader’

Lockheed P-80 / F-80 ‘Shooting Star’

Piasecki H-21 Shawnee (HRP Rescuer)

Douglas AD (later A-1) Skyraider

Grumman F9F ‘Panther’

Don S.

[TAMMY]

The Italian P26/40 is in GHQ production already (P40 IT7)

An interesting variant will be the self propelled 149/40 on the same hull.

[Schwerepunkt]

I believe the E100 Panzerjager would have carried a 17cm/55 and was known as krododile.
The 55mm Panther Coelian and the quad 30mm Panther would be excellent additions.
The twin 88 (0r 128 flak) on MAUS or E100 would finalize the heavy fllak. Any new additions to the 350/351 SdFz series would be welcome.
Schwerepunkt

[Schwerepunkt]

I believe the E100 Panzerjager would have carried a 17cm/55 and was known as krododile.
The 55mm Panther Coelian and the quad 30mm Panther would be excellent additions.
The twin 88 (0r 128 flak) on MAUS or E100 would finalize the heavy fllak. Any new additions to the 350/351 SdFz series would be welcome.
Schwerepunkt

[Donald M. Scheef]

My understanding is that the armament for the E100 Panzerjaeger was not yet finalized at the end of the war. A 17.5cm L/55 was one of the proposed armaments. However, I prefer a 15 cm gun (perhaps based on one of the abandoned 15 cm Flak guns). The 15 cm Flak was about L/65 with correspondingly impressive muzzle velocity. The Flak version was abondonded because of short barrel life. This was more of a problem for a Flak gun expected to fire throughout a bombing raid (which could be all night with the British).

In conjunction with this, I would arm the turreted E100 with a long 12.8 cm gun (a L/66 was in development) rather than the 15 cm usually mentioned. Likewise, we could propose an E100 Sturmhaubitze with a 21cm barrel.

I'm not against the 17.5cm in an E100 Panzerjaeger; it's just a matter of personal preference. If GHQ makes the basic hull, I can replace the gun barrels as I see fit.

Thank you for including the quad 3cm FlakPanther. Eventually, I would like to see a whole series of Flakpanzers for W'47 with interchangable mounts:
- Pz38D or E10 with quad 2cm (open mount), twin 3cm (Kugelblitz turret - already available on PzIV chassis), or single 3.7cm
- E25 or Panther with quad 2cm (enclosed mount), twin 3.7cm (Coeleon - already available), or single 5.5cm
- E50 with quad 3cm, twin 5.5cm (Falke), or single 8.8cm (open mount)
- E75 with quad 3.7cm, twin 5.5cm or single 8.8cm (semi-enclosed mount)
- E100 with twin 8.8cm or single 10.5cm in semi-enclosed mount (Alligator) (or possibly 12.8cm Flak in open mount

Don S.

[Schwerepunkt]

The Flak Panther could have various armaments, such as the quad 30, quad 20, twin 37, twin 55 and perhaps other calibers. The largest tanks could carry the twin 88 or a single with more electronic gun direction equipment on each vehicle.
Many of these vehicle projects were not finalized at war's end but IMHO, the 17cm gun could have been carried.
All of the 351 series you point out would have been developed by the Waffenamt or appropriate agency to meet ground force needs in 1946 onward. I still believe a PzKwIV chassis could have been used to mount an AD missile. This would have not been useful against the smaller fighter bombers employed by the Allies but would have been against medium and heavy bombers.