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Project: terrain model and GHQ miniatures for Army training

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:59 am
by busboy
Hello GHQ forum members,

I am an officer in the U.S. Army, branched armor, and currently serving as an instructor in one of our officer development schools. In this role, I instruct groups of 16-20 young officers in army doctrine and tactics. I am currently concluding my “first teachâ€￾ in this next month. After the conclusion of the cycle, I have decided to create a series of terrain models to assist with my instruction. As a young lieutenant at Fort Knox I recall using GHQ microarmor on terrain models as part of our tactical instruction. I feel these “hands onâ€￾ training tools were definitely value added in my professional development, and I believe that students can benefit from similar instructional methods.

Specifically, I believe my students have difficulty initially with terrain ** CENSORED **, ** CENSORED ** and arraying forces both friendly and enemy, and employing company sized formations in doctrinally sound manner. One specific example we often observe is the difficulty officers with a “lightâ€￾ background (i.e. service in the 101st or 82nd Airborne divisions for example) have envisioning large mounted elements moving in formation across the deserts of the national training center. Though we incorporate simulations to reinforce training objectives, I believe the use of a terrain model with miniature 1:1 scale military units will assist with instruction. We’ll see how it turns out beginning in January of 2013 when I will begin teaching a new class and will have my training aids complete.

At endstate, I intend to create three to four modular terrain models that will be approximately 9’x9’ in size. Students will use GHQ miniatures to practice enemy course of action development and friendly scheme of maneuver using 1:1 scale units (i.e. a Mech Infantry company team will consist of 10x M2A3 Bradleys, 4x M1A2 Abrams, etc. all with their own painted miniatures). Students will then translate their “hands onâ€￾ application onto their maneuver graphics prior to briefing operations orders for evaluation. I think I should note at this point that I’ve been a miniature/modeling fan for my whole life. Part of my reasons for taking up this project is also for personal enjoyment, and part of the reason I haven’t requested tax payer dollars to fund it is so I can keep the fruits of my labor when I move on!
I recently sent a message to GHQ providing feedback from an American military perspective. These recommendations were based on requirements for our classes. I fully acknowledge that implementation of the recommendations may not be viable under GHQ’s business model, and are only based on facilitating our needs. These recommendations were based purely on filling the unit requirements in the several operations orders students must execute in the course curriculum. I figured these recommendations might promote some interesting discussion. My recommendations were:

-Addition of Russian/Soviet/Former Warsaw pact engineer breaching and possibly assault bridging assets. Our current classes include the “MTK-2â€￾ (UR-77 under Russian nomenclature I believe) and the “BAT-2â€￾ for our scenarios. At present GHQ does not offer similar vehicles. As an interim I will probably use MT-LBs for this purpose. Likewise, I would recommend adding a Soviet era assault bridging vehicle.

-Add the M7 Bradley (Fire Support Vehicle) to product line. Currently I will substitute the M8 Bradley Linebacker. I believe this could be accomplished using existing Bradley hulls with a different turret. This is probably an easy “scratch buildâ€￾ conversion actually.

-Add variants of the HMMWV equipped with LRAS (large scout optic), preferably including up armored HMMWV. I believe this could be accomplished using existing HMMWV castings(unarmored and armored) with a different “turretsâ€￾ adding the LRAS system.

-Add tanks equipped with mine rollers. For our requirements, we especially need an M1A2 Abrams equipped with mine roller. Russian mine rollers would be a plus as well.

-Replace the current M2 .50 caliber machine gun for the M1A2 Abrams with a “CROWSâ€￾ system M2 .50 Cal (possibly the same casting as the Stryker infantry carriers) or a “flex mountâ€￾ M2 .50 caliber MG. Current M1A2 Abrams seems to come with the old mounting used on the M1/M1A1 Abrams.

-Very small recommendation: add an M113 without applique armor with the external fuel cells on the vehicle’s rear. This juice may not be worth the squeeze to GHQ, in my opinion. It is simply a very minor tweak to replicate current army vehicle fieldings. This tweak could also probably be made by a dedicated scratch builder as well.

-Another very minor recommendation: add Soviet T-12 anti-tank gun. Currently I will substitute the “100mm anti-tank gunâ€￾ in this role. Honestly, I don’t think a new product is worthwhile considering what is already have in GHQ’s existing line, but it is a specific piece of equipment our students interact with that is not “specificallyâ€￾ covered in the GHQ line.

Finally, I strongly recommended revision of the “combat commandâ€￾ sets to reflect modern “Modified Tables of Organization and Equipmentâ€￾ (MTOEs) of current American line companies. These sets are utterly ideal for military customers, and in my opinion should be kept updated with the current task organizations of the US Military. I recommend consulting the “FKSM 71-8â€￾ to update these sets. In addition to bringing the boxes in line with MTOE Off the top of my head, I recommend the following improvements:

-Modern American tank company: 14 M1A2 Abrams, one M7 Fire Support Bradley, two HMMWVs, two M113s (First Sergeant’s vehicle, and the Medic vehicle. Add on armor M113s not required), replace the old trucks with one LMTV truck, and one M88 recovery vehicle.

-Modern American mechanized infantry company: 14 M2A3 Bradleys, two HMMWVs, two M113s as above, one LMTV, and one M88 recovery vehicle. The existing set with original production M2 Bradleys is insufficient “out of the box.â€￾

-The current Stryker combat command set differs significantly from an “MTOEâ€￾ Stryker company and requires five additional infantry carrier Strykers as well as a fire support vehicle, a medical evacuation vehicle, two HMMWVs, and two LMTV trucks in order to replicate a complete company.

For added realism, the American company level MTOEs could also benefit from a water trailer, though again this is a small item that might not be worth the production time.

I am utterly enthralled with GHQ’s product line. My above recommendations are rather minor, and were offered “for what they are worthâ€￾ to GHQ. Our biggest needs are for “OPFORâ€￾ (opposing force) breaching assets and roller tanks. Everything else would be a bonus.

In closing to this first post, I want to thank the GHQ forum members for their posts and the sharing of information. I have spent quite some time lurking in the forums researching best practices before execution of my work. I’m used to 1/35 scale tanks, 1/48 scale aircraft, and 1/72 scale soldiers. 1/285 scale is such a delicious challenge!
I’d like to return the effort by posting my progress of my project here. At present I have a 27â€￾ square terrain tile complete that replicates one square kilometer of map data used in a student mission, and I will add eleven more for this specific model. I have also completed about half a Combined Arms Battalion’s worth of combat power consisting of a tank company, a mech infantry company (M2 Bradleys, missing the M88 for now), and various HHC/FSC elements. While I am a huge military history/arts and crafts nerd, my work is “good enough for government workâ€￾ and won’t include the extensive super details some folks place in their pieces, though I think the results are sufficient. I’ll try to get a few pictures posted tonight before I go to bed.

Thanks again all to your contributions to this outstanding knowledge base!

-busboy

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:17 am
by busboy
For images, I'll start with my test sets. My very first attempt at Microarmor was this batch of M4A3E8s and M47 Pattons.

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During this last weekend I completed the above mentioned Armored Brigade Combat Team (ABCT) packages. I have one picture after the black wash, and the rest are after completion. I experimented with an acrylic/water wash and think I will go back to oil paints and mineral spirits next time.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:27 am
by busboy
Just a few more to show where I am it right now. I've got all kinds of pictures of this porject in progress (I'm hoping to provide them to the Army as an idea). For the sake of brevity, I'll post a before, during, and after photo.

My method is to take a military map, translate the terrain lines onto my terrain squares made of foam power board mostly, cut and glue additional foam corrisponding with the terrain lines, udd vinyl spackle to smooth the changes in elevation (paper mache did not work as I had hoped), spraypaint differing shades of green to include textured spray paint, add water and roads, and finally add a smattering of trees.

Each of these 27" squares represents a square kilometer of real terrain.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:01 am
by RedLeif
Nice models.
Thanks for sharing.

RedLeif

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:08 am
by voltigeur
One of the things that impresses me is that you have water flowing down elevation! I don't think I have seen a recreational gamer do that. You have captured that water flow is what dictates terrain.

With my terrain I have looked at a set for what I call the MATC {Micro Armor Training Center (Matsee)} It will be based on the "box at the NTC an area south of Mount Tiefort.

I will be taking some artistic license with it. I'm actually modeling the terrain from the representations from Red Thrust News Letter.

While the MATC will be a fixed training area my wargames set is much more genaric and geomorphic.

Great work! In my dreams I would trade wargaming in as a hobby and do traininggames for the military.

My contribution...

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:13 am
by Schwerepunkt
....I would love to contribute either a Mech Infantry Company or an equivalent OpFors unit. Let me know what nation your OpFors represents and I can order them and ask GHQ to send them to you. Just let me know what you need.
God bless you and thank you for your service.
Schwerepunkt/Bob Weymouth Btry A, 6th (later 1st) BN (HAWK), 65th ADA, USNAS, Key West, FL 33040 (about 40 years ago). :D

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:37 am
by busboy
Voltigeur, thanks for the kind words. Using a topographical map to make terrain tiles definately helps capture the feel of the ground. If you need any National Training Center maps let me know. I've got three rotations under my belt and about 2.5 GB of data from them I think. Here's a section of M1A2s in the same spot you're talking about, with part of Tiefurt mountain to the north:

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Here is a much nicer picture, I think this was near Sibera (where the southern and central corridors meet at the east end of "the box.")

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Schwerepunkt, I am deeply honored. I feel much more endebted to your generation of warriors though sir. I think I would feel guilty accepting such an offer.

If I can be of assistance to anyone for research or anything let me know. I have a fair number of pictures from the old Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor as well as pictures from the Armor Museum restoration facility, a fair number of military maps on digits, manuals, doctrine, etc.

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:09 am
by busboy
Haha. I just realized the forum filter here don't like the word "@nalysis."

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:00 am
by voltigeur
lol the filtering here needs some tweeking.
If you need any National Training Center maps let me know.
Be careful I'll take you up on that! :P

My computer crashed this week and tomorrow I will test my scanner. If I can find my old issues of Red Trust I can send you some old cold war after action reports.

I got a copy of First Battle when I was in the Marines but never got a 1:50,000 of Ft Irwin.

Oh by the way welcome to the forum.

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:43 am
by Nazgul
:shock: GASP :shock:

Beautiful work. I don't think I've seen green used for vehicle windows . . . but I like it. Thanks for showing the work in progress, they have given me a few ideas :) .

I remember reading in a "Wargamer's Digest" in the late 70's that the Army was using terrain boards and GHQ minis for Officer training. They also stated they were using the minis set at a scale mile, about 5.6 meters (or 18.5 feet) away, gave the trainee binoculars, and tested them on vehicle identification. (Can you imagine doing a game like that? Need a few refs, hang mirrors over the board so both sides can see the battle field, and one large sense of humor. Wonder what the number of friendly fire incidents would be?) I never really understood why it was stopped, there is a gentleman who frequented this forum that bought several boards and modified a "U-Haul" to take them to game conventions. As for the rules used I can't remember what it was. We didn't have a lot of choices at the time. Armor values and penetration of the guns were top secret so any game was a guesstimate. More likely they were developed by the school and not released to the public.

If you need some raw data drop me a line. Spent a year and a half combing the internet to make an expansion for my favorite game (Got 2 very bad viruses from Czech sites, a rootkit from a Russian site, and I won't even talk about what happened with China.) Armor data ranges from 1906ish armor cars to 2005. Followed the game format so the armor is in mm and the speed is in mph . . . eh. Won't even make any attempt to claim accuracy. Later armor values were given in kinetic energy and HEAT protection. ERA values were also given. Praise the Czechs and Russians.

Thanks again and please keep posting.

Cris

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:45 pm
by BattlerBritain
Cris - I recently picked up a set of rules called 'Fistful of Tows 3' and that's got some pretty accurate armour and gun ratings in it, especially for Moderns. They're quite a good set of rules just for the equipment listings and values on their own.

busboy - Nice stuff! :D Good painting and a great project in progress. Keep us posted on how you and your staff are getting on with this. Always good to get feedback on training methods that work. And I love the piccies of the 'real' kit :D Can always do with more piccies of that :wink:

And I like your suggestions for more GHQ figures - could always do with them. I think I picked up some of the missing range from other manufacturers, mainly UK based. Would still like GHQ versions though.

Cheers,

B

We have all served, some gave all, others gave some

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:45 pm
by Schwerepunkt
....I appreciate your expression of indebtedness to my generation for our fulfillment of duty obligations during Viet Nam and the Cold War. Please do not feel guilty for asking for assistance. I am not much good with the terrain but can select armored forces (at least WW2) pretty well.
At the very least, keep sending us pictures of the instructions (within classification parameters). First to fire, ADA.
Bob Weymouth/Schwerepunkt :D

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:31 am
by busboy
Thanks for the kind words all. Again, if anyone needs anything I can provide, let me know. I've got quite a few Iraq based resources as well.

Nazgul, I got the idea for green windows at Allen's Microarmor blog:

http://gamecraftminiatures.com/tac2game ... rmor/blog/

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I felt that felt much more realistic than just painting it black and calling it a day.

I used Testors "Beret Green 1171." The actual effect is better than the pictures with flash in my opinion, which makes the green look a bit lighter than under more subdued light.

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:11 pm
by Fogs
busboy,

I did a similar project as a Combined Arms Battalion S-4. We built the entire battalion to MTOE for OPDs, etc. GHQ was very helpful on the phone as we brainstormed ways to scratch build/kit bash some of the equipment. Some lessons learned and recommendations:

We found the FKSM slightly dated, so we used the most current MTOE from FMSWeb and pretty much built our own FKSM for the BN in PowerPoint (which later proved useful for numerous staff functions).

To make the water buffalo, we used the WWII POL trailer from US58, which looks close enough at 1:285, and also has trailers that look like 1 1/4T HMMWV trailers.

To fill in for the mine roller, we used an "other guy" PT55 mine roller. It looks a little weird, but it serves its purpose. If you're doing the full HHC, we made the low boy from an WWII M26 and put on an old five-ton cab to make the 916 that tows the rollers/plows.

I agree with your recommendations about the combat commands, in particular, as well as the BFISTs and LRAS3 (I think you could combine the Stryker LRAS3 and the HMMWV in the interim).

We built our FSC, as well, and I'd recommend including company trains for your future commanders. Particularly for formerly light guys (I myself am one), it helps to visualize all the additional moving pieces. It's also a crucial planning factor to consider how to position all the fuel and ammo resupply, and the specifics of how this process works. This is also where there are the most GHQ shortages, particularly PLSes/LHSes and HEMTT wreckers. We made these using the M977 HEMTT model and a Dremel tool to turn the bed into a flat rack. If it was a PLS, we also added the third rear axle from another HEMTT (3 M977s make 2 M1075s). We then used the top of an M88 crane as the "A" frame on the flat rack. It's time consuming, and I'd love to see a PLS/LHS model from GHQ.

While we mounted machine guns, we did not put on aerials or too much additional detail, realizing that as these were used for terrain models and OPDs, anything too fragile would break very quickly.

Sadly, I'm finishing a RIP, so I don't have easy access to the models or pictures, but I hope the descriptions help.

-Fogs

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:21 pm
by busboy
Thanks Fogs. That is very helpful. I hope the RIP is going well, and that you're going home to boot.

I am very seriously considering modeling portions of the FSC. Heavy logistics baffles many at first. Those are some awesome tips for modeling the whole CAB. If I do my S3 or XO time in a mounted organization I may do that.

I'm thinking about trying a few conversions for Red engineer vehicles too. I'll have an interesting next order.