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The CHI empire has vast reserves of natural resources and no need for the pitiful oil reserves of the 7.62.
We have expelled suspected 7.62 spies.

I was planing on a large nation

Army
1/285 AFV will be at a 1-1 scale
All other non combat will be as much as 1-5 so 1 truck could repesent up to 5
Since I don't feel like buying lots of trucks even though I have looks of trucks

Navy
I plan to use 1/2400 to repesent naval forces
1-1 scale
Limits would base on 10-1 ratio of tonnage true tonnage so if you used 1 truck to repesent 5 in army unit it will only count as one truck in tonnage.
So a M1 tank weight 68 tons
A carrier is about 97k ton
97k / 680 = 141 tanks needed in the army before you can have one carrier

Other wise everyone will have large navy


Air Force

No limit for now

I'm using 1/285-1/350 planes for the air force.
All helo will be 1/285 or 1/300 1-1
1-1 for all fighter and attack aircraft
1-3 for all other like transports , etc

Or Was thinking of using 1/700 planes?


Unpainted items will be consider untrained green
One paint color are trained
Painted with camo will be tried troops
Painted camo with wash/ track are veteran units
All of the above with decal / hand painted lettering or numbers will be elite/ guard units ( picture must be posted and 2/3 of all other nations must agree before designated elite units

Just my thoughts
What do you guys think?

As a maritime coalition and therefore a maritime power I don't think I can agree with the suggested treaty limits. With just my USN units I have at least 9 complete CSGs and a further 4 or 5 ESG. Add in RN, Soviet/Russian, JMSDF etc. my 8,000 odd vehicles still won't add up. I have over 1,500 1/2400 aircraft, if it's a naval battle they should be in. If it's a land battle then the scale should match the vehicles.

MONGO,

Counting your donkey drivers will not help you. We know you have 6000 mule riders that you use to ferry troops. Six carrier groups is six packs of john boats. If you want a real fleet then join our five tug boat fleet.

av8rmongo wrote:As a maritime coalition and therefore a maritime power I don't think I can agree with the suggested treaty limits. With just my USN units I have at least 9 complete CSGs and a further 4 or 5 ESG. Add in RN, Soviet/Russian, JMSDF etc. my 8,000 odd vehicles still won't add up. I have over 1,500 1/2400 aircraft, if it's a naval battle they should be in. If it's a land battle then the scale should match the vehicles.

How 1/2400 maritime and air power factor into the imagi nation 1/285 scale

1. Any carrier must have all its support ships
So no one can just buy carriers
2. Limits on naval aircraft will be base on how many carriers you have.
So UScarriers have about 90 planes. So you can have 90 naval planes x 25%more ( naval base aircraft)
3. Scale- you can use any scale to represent the naval aircraft but
Aircraft again aircraft only
1/2400and 1/3000 planes are 1-1 ( I find them too small for me so I'm using 1/350 1/700 to represent aircraft)
1/200-1/350 aircraft are 1-50
1/700 1/720 will be 1-10

So if you have 1 1/285 aircraft it is equivalent to 50 1/2400 planes
Yea 2 1/285 is equal to a CSG Air Force

4. Naval forces have no effect on 1/285 ground forces
So you can't have ships preform shore bombardment
Aircraft can be used but ineffective since 50 1/2400 aircraft is equivalent to 1 1/285 aircraft
You can have effect naval aircraft vs ground forces but you need to do two things
Have enough aircraft to attain air superiority but remember air to air ratio is 1-50
Each CSG has the equivalent of 2 1/285 aircraft
Once air superiority has been achieved then you can have as many aircraft as the CSG has providing they each is 1/285

How's does that sound?

Considering all my naval units are WWII I will not cast any votes. Though using my carriers could add a twist. Can I say my battleships are the latest version?

My merchant ships would still be viable but my subs would not.

I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. You have what you have. No ratios. No limits on what can be effective where.Pick a scale for an engagement and whatever you have for that scale is what you have to work with.

av8rmongo wrote:I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. You have what you have. No ratios. No limits on what can be effective where.Pick a scale for an engagement and whatever you have for that scale is what you have to work with.

Bring on the arms race!!

someone else wants to try an arms race....ohhhhh crap. Let me know when you build up! Mongo has quite a bit of 1/2400 and 1/285, too. Mongo, may I suggest an alliance, naval, air and ground. What if I have the right scale for micro armor, can I then have shore bombardment? Since I have a boomer, can I nuke ya? Since I have the USS Florida, can I send 150 cruise missiles in on you? 9 B-1B, 6 B-52, 4 B-2, what do you suggest? Have a few Space Shuttles to control space and capture any of your satellites I need to. All this mentioned is in scale to micro armor. I also have 1/2400 stuff.
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guess I need to paint up the 500 Abrams that I have sitting in a box. That division + will be short on Mech Inf., AA, Arty support. Probably short on helos, too. But those Abrams May do well as a break through force with other assets. So lets skip the arms race. Focus on the I-magine Nation or pick an existing one that cannot do everything. Allen Rockwell can probably have the largest lift in 6mm scale in 3 months than anyone else. He could produce 3-4 more LHD for the USMC, few dozen LCS ships, etc. More fun with a different approach.
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Let see who might play. I did play Paulson Putin. I cannot, will not have alliance with Putinville, he is evil. ruthless even! Not to be trusted, should be eliminated, eradicated from the earth!

Looks like we are on the verge of Unrestricted and unlimited arms race.
Please people let's step back from the brink

Total War
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JUZBQg4Z1JE

No one wins in an arms race, well.......... maybe GHQ I guess.

For scale and size, it's your nation to do as you please.
What ever you want, it makes little difference until two States meet on the same table (which is not often). Then you work it out.

Just my take.
1 to 1. That's why Balzac is a smaller Nation with modest means and ambitions.

Scale.
1/285 -300 works the best for what I want. I did have 1/350 aircraft but no longer, too big of a difference for me. That said 1/350 shipping seems to work and look ok alongside micro armour, so I will use them.

Paint.
I like the idea of unpainted= untrained, painted (even just 1 colour spray can)= trained. I just would not go any more graded than that (I'm just not that good anyway).
If it's a work of art with a flag on a jacket, great. If it's just OG that's fine too.
For me no untrained yob is going near a 1 million dollar IFV let alone an attack heli, so all of mine will be trained before reaching any unit ie they will have some kind of paint job.

Just like any Nation.
Have fun, challenge, build, dream, debate, inspire and when the talking ends,
stand up for what you believe in.

Reasonable minds can prevail. Balzac is fortunate to have their leadership and administration.

paul wrote:Considering all my naval units are WWII I will not cast any votes. Though using my carriers could add a twist. Can I say my battleships are the latest version?

My merchant ships would still be viable but my subs would not.

All WWI and WWII ships will be considered modernize with in reson.
No major mod just add on
Ex: BB can have some cruise/ harpoon launcher but no helo unless it has a flt deck
Carriers can have helo or VTOL or can carry cruise missile launchers .
Subs would be like the modern diesel type. Wouldn't be able to carry harpoon type torpedoes.

How much damage would a harpoon do to a WWII ship that has 6-8 in of armor? What kind of damage would a 16in shell do to a newer ships?

Oh, not true, I have met the enemy and destroyed him. Paulson Putinville has been defeated in combat. So if need be, we can use him or me as a surrogate, small nominal fee will be required to be paid, certainly if you want your forces to do well. or not have all your stuff captured, destroyed or desert their equipment. It could happen.
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What does your force have? give me a list, I will do the best I can to supply the proper equipment in the engagement. If I do not have, a larger fee will be charged so I may facilitate your force in battle. Those units will be yours, I will store them for you and maintain the equipment (a fee is involved).

You may PM you TO&E and I will keep it confidential. Intel for me, which I can sell off, buy it will not be 100% accurate, 95% accurate (a fee involved).

We are using 1-1. But is it permissible to say you own 10,000 MBTs if you own 30? Who would be able to check/verify? If I have 1 carrier in 6mm scale, may I say I have 2-3-4? If I have 26-30 F-22, can I determine that I have 400? etc.?
Is it acceptable that if you have 30 Leopard 2, is it permissible to indicate that you have 160 Leopard 2A6, but "only field 30-44-58 Leopard 2A6 for an engagement?
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Does it matter? Balzac & Camastan was enjoyable. Some of ya'll have great humor and insightful info, I appreciate what you have provided.
Chris
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Swimmers League you did not sign-up General Stone so Putinville has. With his dice rolling few can beat him.

We are the Commonwealth of Chrisdom, a/k/a Chrisdom Commonwealth.
Surprised you do not know this already. We have over a dozen states in the central Med to the western Med, both in Europe, around Monaco, and several islands in the Med and territory in Africa. What was part of Morocco, we have 100 miles of coastline both side of the Straight of Gibraltor and further west another state around Tunis.

We speak English, French, Italian, Spanish and Arabic.
..more to follow....

Paulson, are you in for the surrogate gaming for others? Of course we cannot make a profit.

Happy New Year (and safe) to all I-magine Nations, and wargamers.