British Ajax AFV

paul · Post by **paul** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:30 am

Does GHQ have the British Ajax AFV model? I did not see it listed but was not sure if it is called something else. Jane's has indicated that the Ajax will be fielded.

http://www.janes.com/article/66333/brit ... bt-numbers

CG2 · Post by **CG2** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:01 am

No - GHQ rarely makes a model until it's in service.

piersyf · Post by **piersyf** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:00 am

Due to be fielded in 2019... and given the response from the forum the last time GHQ got ahead of the deployment curve (PUMA, was it?) they may be reluctant to dive in too soon.

chrisswim · Post by **chrisswim** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:58 am

The AJAX, according to info I have, has as its baseline the Austrian/Spanish Ascod/Ulan AIFV. Would be a great vehicle to have, I have wanted one for over a decade, well 40 or so for each brigade for each country's force structure.

paul · Post by **paul** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:10 pm

Based on the Jan'e article it sounds like before 2019 they will see deployment in some units.

chatto · Post by **chatto** » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:15 am

Hi Paul;

I have been thinking of the layout of the AJAX for you... In the interim until GHQ does make either an ASCOD or an AJAX specifically, perhaps this may work for you?

How about a CV9030 body, with a turret from a FOX armoured car? A SABRE turret may also be a solid bet.

Another alternative (although this would require some modification to the turret) is to use the turret of a Japanese Type 89 IFV, and remove the ATGM launcher from the right hand side of the turret?

Anyway, I think any of those builds would be a good choice, my personal order of preference is CV9030+FOX turret, then SABRE, then Type 89.

panzergator · Post by **panzergator** » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:22 am

How about CV9030 with VBCI turret. I read awhile back that the Brits were considering buying the French wheeled APC and it follows that they would use the turret for some commonality, although I would prefer the Warrior turret or a variation.

Given what the Russians have been doing, the CV9040 outright might be a better solution.

RedLeif · Post by **RedLeif** » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:00 pm

I do like the concept of the CT40 auto cannon, larger caliber/smaller space. I'd love to see some armour penetration data for that weapon system.

The VBCI turret seems a little closer to the mark to me, good suggestion.

panzergator · Post by **panzergator** » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:54 am

In the same vein, a couple decades back, there was a TAM hull monting a 40mm Bofors with the crew in the hull. Interesting version.

I don't think the 40mm will penetrate the front slope of the new Russian MICV, but I also don't think there will be that many of the new Russian MICV to worry about. Look at the overhang of the front slope on that thing. It reminds me of the French St. Chamond - long front slope out in front of the forward edge of the tracks. It's gonna dig a deep hole with the edge of that front slope. There are just certain basics that you must apply to AFV design. If the Russians feel the need to defend the Steppes, and clearly, they do, then their APC will work pretty well in the defense. However, I don't think it will work so well in the ups and downs of western Europe. Looks like a bit of a bluff to me.

I DO think the 40mm, AND the 30mm, will penetrate the BMP3 and BMP2, not to mention the various BTRs. We are far more likely to see hundreds of those. Throttling through choke points, lined up in passes, in three and four echelons. The AirLand Battle just eats that scenario up, if anybody remembers it and trains for it. AirLand Battle is what the Apache, A-10, Hellfire, M1A2, M2, and MLRS were bred for. Same for Challenger and Warrior, Leopard II and Marder (and its follow-on). (I purposely have left out the French tanks, both AMX30 and Leclerc.).

panzergator · Post by **panzergator** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:10 am

Although the ASCOD has seven rather than six road wheels, the Warrior hull appears to resemble it closely enough.