Show me your Marders

Hoth_902 · Post by **Hoth_902** » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:45 pm

I just finished painting the camo pattern on my Marder 1A3s.. First attempt at a NATO Tricolor. I am always very overly critical of my work and these vehicles are no accept ion. I go back and forth whether I like the results or not. I admit, looking at a picture of them makes me feel better than when I look at the actual pieces... I think my girlfriend is right, I am going crazy.. LOL Let me know what you think, your opinions are greatly appreciated. . Also, Could you share your vehicles as well.

alphaco · Post by **alphaco** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:24 am

I think they came out awesome!

Guroburov · Post by **Guroburov** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:51 am

I think I've spotted what's wrong: they aren't mine! Seriously though, nice work on those.

Steve

Hoth_902 · Post by **Hoth_902** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:06 am

Alphaco / Guroburov,

Thanks alot for your feedback, I really appreciate it.. What I have learned so far is that I am crazy, like my girlfriend said, and I have Guroburov's Marders.. LOL..

I think part of what is throwing me off, is that the Brown might be a little too dark. I used Tamiya's dark brown Acrylic. I wanted to use the Nato Brown but not sure if that would have made much of a difference. I have not gotten to far into mixing colors to come up with what I want.

Its funny how something might not look right to you at first. Like I said.. I looked at them after I painted them and thought they looked off.. Then I looked at the picture I posted and thought.. ok.. maybe there not so bad.. I guess, its time to do the detail work now.

I added to my original post at the top of the page, If people have pics of there Marders, please post them. I love seeing what others come up with for there vehicles. Through looking at others pictures, I have gotten many ideas and inspiration.

Extra Crispy · Post by **Extra Crispy** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:45 am

Solid work. I would give them a dry brush of a dusty, pale tan to pick out the details over the camo. Otherwise they are welcome on my table any time!

pmskaar · Post by **pmskaar** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:21 am

Hi Hoth

In answer to your question, I think the green looks a little too much on the grayish side making it look washed out. The brown looks a bit too red and intense. I think if you tone the red brown down a bit and make the green a bit more vibrant they will look better.

Other than that, I think they look great.

Pete

Hoth_902 · Post by **Hoth_902** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:25 pm

Hi back pmskaar,

Thanks for your evaluation. As I read your input and looked at the picture, I did see the Grayish look the green is throwing off. I am using Model Masters Enamel Nato Tricolor green. I took a full bottle and mixed it with 10% white, then cut that with the undulated original color. It comes out looking a lighter shade of green in normal light. When I took the picture last night, I used a florescent light for the picture, so maybe its washing it out. I felt like the green out of the bottle was too dark and tried to lighten it up a little. As for the brown, I also saw the reddish tint in the picture and it does annoy me a little. I think I am going to buy some Tamiya Nato Brown acrylic and give that a try.

Over all I am happy with the results. I think I need to spend more time testing out colors and working on how to Lighten them without messing up the Tint. Getting the right colors seems to be harder than I thought it would be. Well, with that said, I can always paint everything a solid desert color. LOL..

Mike

P.S. I did notice a similar thing happen to some of my desert sand vehicles. In certain lights the tint looked off. You can see it on my site. If you look a the "my work continues" blog from 4/1/2014.. The two pictures of M1s look like different colors but they are the same.. the only difference is the lighting. Ugh.. frustrating.

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:19 pm

I like your Marders, well done. I'm not sure if you've seen this site before;

http://www.panzerbaer.de/colours/index.htm

It is a German modeling site that has a great trove of BW NATO paint schemes. Ironically, it doesn't seem to have the Marder so I patterned mine from the Roland file.

pmskaar · Post by **pmskaar** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:28 pm

Hi Hoth

It is generally a good idea to lighten the colors especially for this scale. As I look at some of my older work and compare it to what I am doing these days, some of the older pieces turned out a bit too dark.

The trick is to figure out how much lightening to do and how each color reacts to lightening.
I usually don't have a specific formula but just add until it looks right to my eyes

This painting thing is always a work in progress, for me at least. I am always trying to improve and I know your pieces will get even better as you go along. You are off to a good start.

Pete

Hoth_902 · Post by **Hoth_902** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:27 pm

av8rmongo,
Thanks for the link. I've never seen it before. I will definitely be using it in the future. I think I will probably add it to my blog as well.

pmskaar,
I never realized the need to lighten colors. I first read about it on this site. Looking at some of my stuff and post of other people's work, I have seen the benefit. I was always a strait out of the container guy, so mixing and such is new. Playing around with the colors seems such a daunting task.. I guess, like climbing a mountain, you get there one step at a time.

Thanks to everyone for the comments and the encouragement.

madman · Post by **madman** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:35 am

Just my $0.02. I tried to find a picture of the Marder on Google and found none of the full scale. I did find a few of the Leopard II and your colours seemed pretty good to me. I have seen the comment before on lightening the shade of colour applied to scale models and the smaller the model the lighter the colour. I would suggest a new photo shot outdoors but not in strong light. Also all out monitors are different.

Stephen

Hoth_902 · Post by **Hoth_902** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:36 am

Madman,

Thanks for your $0.02. I really appreciate the input and your evaluation. If you do a search for "Marder IFV" or even "Marder 1A3" you will find quite few pictures of the actual vehicles. As I look through them, Several things change the color.. Whether the tank is wet, dirty, faded from the sun, what light source etc.. etc.. I even saw a brown color that was closer to what was on the Japanese vehicles. From the pictures, I have found, i have seen some close to what I have but in the end,that is probably good for this batch. I sometimes get too wrapped around the axle trying to make it look just right.. I bet, on the board they will be just fine.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Wed May 03, 2017 4:48 pm

I like the look.
No idea about the colors as I am not very good at it and photos sometimes seem to show a bit different thing than that what is actually sitting in front of the camera.

One sidenote, the Germans use a camo-scheme which is identical on all vehicles of a specific type. For example the camo on all Marder 1A3 should look exactly the same.
I know it is gaming and I also think that it looks good as it is but I say it just in case somebody wants to recreate the German Army style.

Cheers,
Benjamin

Hoth_902 · Post by **Hoth_902** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:26 am

@Ben,

I see you are in germany and figure you might have seen one or two in person.. Please tell me which do you like better. the three on the right or the three on the left.

As for the camo pattern, I was looking at picture with lines and lines of Marders, and did notice that they all had the same pattern.. I thought it was how they applied it at the factory and it would differ in the field. Very interesting.

Aaron_E · Post by **Aaron_E** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:56 am

Definitely a fan of NATO tricolor patterns. They look lovely!