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I am slowly unraveling the TO&Es, through the use of some FM's I downloaded from the internet. What I have not found, as of yet, is the organization of a unit using the Stryker Dragoon. Not that I have tried to look very hard. Since they are in a Cavalry unit, are they set up like the ones that use to have Bradley's?

Thanks for any help..

Hoth

Mike Robel may have info. I can't find anything yet, but will keep looking. 2nd ACR requested 81 of them. Divide by 3 to get the number per squadron and by three again to get the number per troop. Then decide how many per platoon. That is a start, at least.

Panzer, good idea. That will hold me till Mike Robel sees this or you/me find it.

ACK. I have to reevaluate my thinking here. I had six carriers on the brain for the infantry platoon when it is only four. The previous evaluation is under the line of asterisks, below. This stuff represents the new thinking.

Assuming 81 Dragoon turrents is still the correct number, that still works out 27 per infantry battalion. How can we get there?

4 per 9 infantry platoon = 36. Clearly too many.

2 per 9 infantry platoon = 18, leaving 9. The other 18 vehicles in the infantry platoon should get Javelin Launchers. (Each Platoon has 3 Javelins.)

I think there are 2 other ways to go

1. Give Dragoon Turrets to the Company CO and XOs and 3 to the Scout Platoon, or
2. 3 to the Company COs and 6 to the Scout Platoon (my choice).

The Scouts don't have Javelins, so that is why I favor giving 6 to the scouts. Scouts typically should have more firepower than an equivalent sized infantry platoon to allow them to fight for information and to be able to disengage easier. Fighting somewhat above their weight.

Sadly, with 81 for the SBCT, I don't see a way to arm the Cavalry Squadron with any o them. However, since the Scout Platoons do have 8 Javelins, I would think they would get 8 Javelin launchers.



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Sadly, my contacts who could provide me the information have dried up. PzG's method appears sound,, except there are four Battalions in the SBCT, 3 Infantry and one Cavalry.

The latest information I have is from 2016, which is sadly out of date.

Infantry Battalion (x3)
Scout Platoon (6 Vehicles)
3 x Mech CO
HQ (2 Vehicles)
Mort Section (2 Vehicles)
3 INF Plts (4 vehicles each)

Cavalry Squadron
3 CAV Troops (14 Scout/2 Mort)
HQ (2 Vehicle)
Mort Section (2 Vehicles)
2 CAV PLTS (6 vehicles Each)

We can assume CO's and XO's do not get the Dragoon. That leaves us with 108 Infantry Carriers and 36 Scout Carriers, for a total of 144.

Since PzG says the Regiment got 81, it is clear that 81/4 is not a round number (20.25). So that leads me to assume, for no good reason, the Cav Troops don't get any of the Dragoons.

81/3 = 27 per infantry battalion and 9 per Company.

So 3 carriers/ platoon will get the Dragoon Turret.

They are also fielding a version which can fire Javelins from the vehicle, so I would surmise that the Infantry battalions will get three of those. Each company has 9 Javelins, so that fits.

I'd expect the PL and PSG to get the Dragoon in addition to one other carrier. The others in the infantry platoon get the Javelins.

The Cavalry Troop has 8 Javelins, so they will probably get 4 Javelin kits per platoon (none for the PL or the PSG).

Infantry Battalion Scout Platoons do not appear to have any Javelins nor any Dragoons.

Still later, I'd expect the Command vehicles for the BN CO, CO CO and XO to get Dragoon turrets as well.

I'd expect as things ramp up, we would see the cavalry and the scouts get Dragoons.

Just to piggy back off of Mike's post, 83 for the 2ACR leads to a couple of variations.

There is a TO&E out there where each Stryker Infantry Troop had 3 Stryker MGS platoon integral to the Troop. Sub in Stryker Dragoons so 9 Troops of 3 gives 27 in the Regiment.

Putting 18 in each Stryker Cavalry Scout Troop in the 4th Squadron adds another 54 for a total of 81. That leaves a couple of floats or possibly in an HQ somewhere.

Problem with this is the Dragoon is not really a recon turret so would it make sense to put them in the Cav scout troops? Plus you probably don't want to have the troop HQ driving a different configuration from the masses at company level as it give the bad guys something to look for and kill first.

Another possibility is having a Heavy Squadron composed of 44 (3x14) + 2 HQ Dragoons plus a 3 Dragoon troop in each light Stryker Infantry Troop adds another 18. Put 6 in each Stryker Recon Troop in 4th Squadron, either 2 per platoon or add a 6 dragoon platoon to each troop or some variation of this. This organization accounts for 80. The RCO probably wants a defense platoon of 3 in the RHQ. And there you have it.

Not saying this gospel or accurate, just throwing out some hypotheticals.

As of 2016, The MGS are now consolidated in the AT Company that is assigned to the CAV Squadron.

The 30mm has only been applied to the Infantry Carriers. The system is formally called Infantry Carrier Vehicle - Dragoon and was not applied to the Stryker Reconnaissance Vehicle.

The AT Company now has a HQ (1 Stryker), 3 ATGM Platoons (3 vehicles each) and 3 MGS Platoons (4 vehicles each).

The Army is going to buy more 30mm Turrets, they are running another competition to see who gets to build them, so they may then be placed on Recon versions.

As I try to digest all this great information, I had a question.

Does the scout platoon use the M1127 Stryker Cav that ghq offers, or is it the M1126 Stryker IFV?

Also, I read this from an article in Popular Mechanics..

"In order to improve the 2nd Cavalry’s odds in battle, the Army decided to arm half of the brigade’s Strykers with Javelin missiles and the other half with the new Protector unmanned turret. The new turreted Stryker is known as Stryker Dragoon. Here’s a video of Stryker Dragoon at the live fire range."


https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... d-vehicle/

Not sure if that means one company might have all javelins and the other the Unmanned turret.. Or it the platoons or each platoon would be mixed.

Like I said, I have not fully digested all this data..

CavDog, I did see the AT unit you are talking about, I found that ATP 3-21.91 - Stryker Brigade Combat Team Weapons Troop. (May 2017)

I am currently trying to build a game around using that troop against a soviet force to hold a village/cross roads. My wargame group tends to use the same vehicles in every game. Plus they don't like current modern because they say its too deadly and Thinks the M1 makes things too lopsided. So, I am trying to introduce some different vehicles and scenario. I recently bought Fist full of TOWs III. Going to use those rules.

They use the Recon Version,although externally, especially in 1/285, one might not notice the difference.

Mike, thanks. I actually bought a pack of the recon version so now I have a use for them.. LOL. IT has extra stowage on it and a big sensor box on the remote turret. So, you can tell the difference if you used them. The extra stowage looks great on it.

Another quick question...

Based on what CavDog said,

Plus you probably don't want to have the troop HQ driving a different configuration from the masses at company level as it give the bad guys something to look for and kill first.

What level do the M1130 command strykers get used at?

It look s to me at bmp and above,

I suspect they would mix it within the platoons so each Srtyker Infantry Platoon would have 2 Dragoon Turrets and 2 Javelin turrets, similar to the way Armored Cav had 2 Tow Tracks and 2 Scout Tracks in the scout sections.

Alternatively, the Dragoon Turrets could go to the rifle squads and the Javelin turret to the weapons squad, or vice versa.

Assuming the plan to equip half with Javelins and half with Dragoons, I would think the mixed platoon with 2 of each would make sense.

Although it doesn't specifically address the Dragoon configuration:

https://www.battleorder.org/us-stryker-platoon-2019

I had to revise my basis of issue of Dragoon Turrets to the Infantry Battalions. I had 6 carriers on the brain for an infantry platoon for some reason. Scroll up to my original post to see the evolution.

Just as an outsider looking at that program, I have to ask.
Why did they go with a 30mm?
Yes bigger is sometimes better but would not the BM 25mm have been a whole lot of a better way to go?
Logistics are in place, Bradley or LAV 3 turret was on the shelf.

I do think the 30mm is the perfect IFV size system myself but is this Dragoon an admission that the 25mm is now not good enough.
Or did someone make a bit of cash on this one