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Conte di Cavour under fire.

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That's the way to fix the issue - just start posting new ones!
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That's what I thought StarCruiser. Great minds think alike.

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Great looking ships, RM!
Time on the recce is time well spent!

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WWI U.K. DD paint colors

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I have been thinking of expanding my U.K. DD flotillas at the Battle of Jutland. The only information that I have about their colors, was an old article (I think) that said they were painted black. Does anybody know anything more than this? Were they black on all horiz. and vert. surfaces? Were decks different? Were they, in fact, some other color? Thanks for anything you can give me.

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Mikee,
In my copy of Warships of World War I, (Ian Allan series), H.M Le Fleming author,
while all of the pictures are black & white, most of them are not so dark as to impress that
the Destroyers were painted black, although there are a few pictures that looked like they
could indeed be either very dark grey or possibly black. I too have heard the black color I
nfo, but don't remember when or
from whom. The book did have a section on Painting & Silhouette, (Pages 31 & 32), but
it's more on "the larger British warship", versus other types. For what its worth, in 1914,
they went from "Medium dark grey colour changed to light grey, and funnel bands painted
out. I'm sure Don would be more knowledgeable on the subject.

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Post by Mikee »

YEEKS! I painted all my larger ships a medium gray (507B, actually) several years ago. Since I was collecting ships that were at Jutland, I've likely got the wrong shade. Oh, well. They look good anyway, and it's unlikely anyone else will ever see them.

Thanks for the info CINCTIM. I've got some of the Ian Allen books around here, somewhere (how can so many things disappear in an 800 sq. ft. apt., I don't understand), but it's been so long since I looked at them, I don't even remember which ones I have.

Someday I hope to show off some of my stuff in the Forum. I'm going to ask my son, sometime, to help me go through the process of taking pictures, putting them into some kind of system, and putting them in here.

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For colours of British destroyers at Jutland, I strongly recommend Osprey Publishing New Vanguard volume 163, British Destroyers 1892-1918. Aside from a number of black and white photographs of various types there are several pages with color drawings. One is a cutaway, three are 2-view (profile and plan) and three are colour reproduction of paintings. Most of Osprey's books are available in e-book format and many are on sale through February.

I didn't see any that are black and even dark grey seems relatively unusual. I think that the impression of black destroyers may be the result of most photographs being taken in fair weather with a light sky background.

Also remember the scale shading effect. Even if the actual ship is black, a model in 1/2400 scale should be at most a dark grey. I think that Mikee's choice of a medium grey is just about right.

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Thank you Redleg, I appreciate the compliment!

I am ready to build up my WW2 German destroyer force. Can anyone help clarify which models offered by GHQ correspond to the actual German destroyers (i.e. GEN 3 represents Z17-22)? My reference books are not helping me clear this up. Thanks!

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GHQ Models for WWI German Destroyers:
V1 class (V1 – V6): GWG24, “Destroyers V1-S24â€￾
G7 class (G7 – G12): GWG24, “Destroyers V1-S24â€￾
S13 class (S13 – S24): GWG24, “Destroyers V1-S24â€￾
V25 class (V25 – V30): no GHQ model. 21 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 50th place
S31 class (S31 – S36): no GHQ model. Similar to V25 class
G37 class (G37 – G42): no GHQ model. Similar to V25 class
V43 class (V43 – V48): GWG17, “TBD S63 Classâ€￾
S49 class (S49 – S66): GWG17, “TBD S63 Classâ€￾
V67 class (V67 – V84): GWG13, “TBD V67 Classâ€￾
G85 class (G85-G95): no GHQ model. 24 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied to 36th place
G96: no GHQ model. 4 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 879th place
B97 class (B97, B98, B109-B112): GWG3, “TBD B109â€￾
V99 class (V99, V100): GWG3, “TBD B109â€￾
G101 class (G101 – G104): no GHQ model. 20 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 57th place.
V105 class (V105 – V108): no GHQ model. 5 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 658th place
S113 class (S113 – S115): no GHQ model. 1 vote on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 2161st place
V116 class (V116 – V118): no GHQ model. Note: similar to S113 class
G119 design (G119 – G121): no GHQ model; none completed, but design similar to S113 class
B122 design (B122 – 124): no GHQ model; none completed, but design similar to S113 class
V125 class (V125 – V130): no GHQ model. Note: similar to G96
S131 class (S131 – S139): no GHQ model. Note: similar to G96
H145 class (H145 – H147): no GHQ model. Note: similar to G96
G148 class (G148 – G150): no GHQ model; none completed, but design similar to G96
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Thanks Donald! That is a nice reference and will be very useful to me personally when I return to the High Seas Fleet (I have much of it waiting in the shipyard). You wouldn't happen to have similar knowledge of WW2 German destroyers and their equivalent GHQ model would you?

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GEN3 - Karl Galster is actually a 1936 class Zerstorer rather than a 1934 "Improved" as GHQ notes it. This fairly well covers Z17-22.

GEN7 - Narvik is good for the 1936A class after receiving the twin 5.9" forward turret. Covers Z23-30. Also very similar to the bulk of the 1936A Mob group that were often built with the twin 5.9" forward so - Z31-34 and 37-39

GEN14 - Leberecht Maas covers the 1934 class and could also be used for the 1934A since they looked very similar. Z1-16

Might be able to use the GEN3 for Z35, 36 and 43 but, not sure how correct they are since those reverted back to the 5" guns of the earlier types...?
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Thanks StarCruiser! Much appreciated my friend.

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Post by Donald M. Scheef »

GHQ Models for WWII German Destroyers:
I am including the T-type “torpedo boatsâ€￾ since these were effectively small destroyers.
T Type 1923 (Mowe, Greif, Seeadler, Albatros, Kondor, Falke): No GHQ model; 5 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 658th place
T Type 1924 (Wolf, Iltis, Jaguar, Leopard, Luchs, Tiger): No GHQ model; 6 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 519th place
T Type1935 (T1 – T12): No GHQ model; 5 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 658th place
T Type 1937 (T13 – T21) No GHQ model; 6 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 519th place
T Type 1939, “Elbingâ€￾ (T22 – T36): GEN23 “TBD Elbing Class, T-22â€￾
1934 Type (Z1 – Z4): GEN14, “Maass Classâ€￾
1934A Type (Z5 – Z16): use GEN14 (about 6 ft longer than 1934 type and other minor differences, but fully acceptable in 1/2400 scale)
1936 Type (A17 – Z22): GEN3, “Karl Galsterâ€￾
1936A Type (Z23 – Z30), as completed with single 150mm gun forward: no GHQ model; 3 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 1169th place
1936A Type (Z23 – Z27, Z29), with twin 150mm gun mount forward: GEN7, “Narvik Classâ€￾ is a close-enough model
1936A Mob Type (Z31 – Z34, Z37 – Z39): GEN7, “Narvik Classâ€￾
1936B Type (Z35, Z36, Z43 – Z45): GEN3, “Karl Galsterâ€￾ (about 10 ft longer than Z36 type and significant differences in secondary armament and other details, but reasonable at 1/2400 scale)
1936C Type (Z46 – 50): none completed, no GHQ model is a good approximation; 5 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 658th place
1942 Type (Z51): one of a kind prototype, destroyed while fitting out but nearly complete. No GHQ model; 4 votes on Consolidated Micronaut Wish List, tied for 879th place
"When a fire starts to burn,
here's a lesson you must learn:
something-something and you'll see
you'll avoid catastrophe."
D'oh!

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