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Sam wrote:I'm in Auckland Andrew, where is your buddy's shop? Next question; does he (or will he be) stocking GHQ stuff? I'm trying to build a modern Chinese army, and ordering from the states can get costly. Actually there are quite a few 6mm gamers here, so the market exists ...
Sorry, Sam, my mate runs Nexus Games in Dunedin. He also doesn't stock Microarmour yet, but I'm trying to convince him :)
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Hi Mk1
Howdy! Wlecome to our happy pewter-hermitage.
Thanks. And quite happy it looks too from what I've seen.
I started in about 1973 or 74. I received Panzer Blitz as a gift for my birthday. I was REALLY excited, I had really wanted that game, and then I opened up the box and ... all it contained were a bunch of cardboard squares! :x
Yeah, the tiny carbboard squares were a bit daunting, especially since there were so many of them. And the game lent itself more to strategy than tactics.
The KV-2s in this picture from a game last year are among my 30+ year-old veterans!
Very nice KV-2s.
We have had a couple threads on rules recently.
I'll check that link out. Thanks.
The big first question is whether you like to play 1-to-1 unit scale, or you prefer 1-to-5 / 1-to-platoon. GHQ has a reasonable set for 1-to-platoon. There is a free intro version available on this website.
I prefer 1-1. As I mentioned I'm most familiar with the Yaquinto rules set. The CSI would play on hex grid, but one time I got to play with guys who used inch rules and no hexes. You check line of site with little inverted periscopes you put behind your vehicle. If you could see someone you have LOS. That was cool and brought you even more into the game. Nothing like a 1/285th scale turret's eye view.
I much prefer 1-to-1 unit scale myself. I've now settled on Mein Panzer ... for the moment.
Thanks, I'll have to check that one out.
All through last year I, and my gaming mates, ran with PanzerWar, which is provided online for free by Mobius (a fellow on this forum). His rules are very good. But they are also very detailed. You should be an advanced gamer to play them, and you should limit your unit sizes to no more than a company of troops per player (maybe a platoon per player when first starting out with the rules). As much as we all enjoyed the details (and the exceptional level of historical data) in the rules, we have moved on to Mein Panzer because we wanted to be able to game with as much as a battalion per player.
Details can be good, but sometimes too many details makes a game tedious. We want to blow things up afterall. :)
GHQ figures did indeed go through a major improvement over the last 10 or 12 years. No doubt about it. The line has also been broadened significantly, to the point were it is now about the widest line available (where it used to be one of the most limited lines).
I've noticed the expansion too. I'm very impressed.
While I am always dis-inclined to mention competitors on this board, I will say that I have dozens to hundreds of micros from each of four other vendors (other than GHQ).
I hope the guys here at GHQ will forgive me if I've made a terrible faux pas by mentioning a competitor by name. I only did so for purposes of comparison. Mea culpa.

But perhaps you could mention in a private aside to me the other two vendors. I'm only familiar with the ones I mentioned.
I happen to like the look of a shovel or pic or hammer or fuel tank or tow-cable strung across my vehicles. GHQ has even taken to putting models with 2 different hull or turret details in each of its boxes for several models (like T-34s or KVs). I really like that.
Now that's where details are a Good Thing <tm>.
Check out the "Show us yer Stuff!" thread. There is a LOT of excellent information on terrain in there. Also lots of absolutely inspiring models!
I did manage to get through all 43 (43???) pages of that thread, but only for looking at the pics. I must say I am at one and the same time impressed and depressed. You guys are good. Real good. I once had a camo'd Panther hull down in some scrub and the guys complained that though they could see there was a tank there they couldn't tell what it was. Of course they also once complained that they wouldn't play with anyone who painted eyeglasses and a moustache on a 25mm fig. (we also played Colonials and Boxer Rebellion). But hey, 25mm is HUGE compared to these things.
Hope to get you to post pictures anon. :wink: We love pictures 'round hereabouts!
Yeah, I've noticed that. I'll see what I can do in the near future. Will have to pull out the old sets. The old Humbols paints have long sice dried up but I just pre-orded the Vallejo Military Paint Suitcase from The War Store. My friend with the Warhammer armies likes acrylics over enamel so I'm trying something new.

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Hi pm,
Welcome back to the hobby and the GHQ Forum. I hope you find your visits here to be exciting and informative.
Thanks for the welcome. I'm looking forward to hearing and trading ideas now that I'm getting back into the hobby.

Oh, and lest anyone is mislead by my nom de guerre (or nom de forum as it were) I'm not a former tanker except in the sense of games. I am sorry to say I never got a change to serve in uniform due to poor health (bad eyes, bad lungs, insufficient number of fingers on one hand) even though my lottery number was 24 and due to my height I'd have been picked for tanks (or submarines if I'd gone Navy). However I am a defense contractor and consider what I'm currently doing for the Army as service to the nation and our men and women in uniform.

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Hi AU Cav,

I guess a bunch of us took a long hiatus when we decided we were too old not to become involved in Real Life <tm>. It's one of the reasons I quit the theatre and became a computer engineer.

You bring up a good point about rules sets which tags on to my questions about who's playing what these days. I checked out the Schwere Kompanie site a bit and may pick up the rules on spec. I also want to look at Mein Panzer and the GHQ rules though I'm less interested in them because like you I prefer 1:1 games.

As I mentioned I got heavily invested in the Yaquinto games and I've pulled those out again. I've scanned the data cards from each game (there are 151 including three that were published after the games were as add ons) and they include infantry units, some air, as well as a variety of tracked and wheeled vehicles. I've also started scanning in the rule books and have the rules for Panzer, their first game, in the can and in PDF format. So then, my questions are these;

1. Since Yaquinto is out of business, and if I recall bought out by Avalon Hill years ago, does AH still own the rights to the games or is there any way to find out?

2. Barring any question of who owns the games, since they're no longer being pulished would it be unethical to offer to email a copy of the rules to anyone here who wanted to check them out? I'm all for doing things right and ethical, especially when it comes to small company game designers, though AH doesn't really fit into the small category. Still, if they own it then that's that isn't it.

I would not sell the rules or data cards and have no interest in making money off my hobby. I've scanned these for both archival reasons and because the data cards are small and my eyes are old and I simply can't read them anymore. Thus I am printing off both sides of each card onto a single side of 8.5x11 paper (back in the day I had entered all the data cards into a series of Lotus 123 spreadsheets, but they're now backed up on 5.25" floppies and I no longer have one of those drives, but it got me a medal and a promotion to Captain with the Colby St. Irregulars for being a crazy person with no life).

So these are the questions I lay before the combined wisdom. Please discuss.

Tanker
"An armored division is like a tuxedo. You don't need one often, but when you do nothing else will suffice." - quote heard at a meeting of the JCoS

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Post by Fulcrum »

Growing the Hobby..

GHQ should think of linking to users websites... Many users/collectors have great idea's and pictures on there site's. It would increase the amount of visability on the web and encourage new collections... and yes I do have a site. But I like many other's do it just for fun.

Just one of many idea's
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Post by ShortRound70 »

Just my 2 cents worth on "Growing the Hobby". I agree with Fulcrum as to GHQ linking to this forum's member's web sites. It would be like "one stop shopping" for micro armor.
I for one have visited most of the sites available, and have enjoyed them all. Whether its how to paint or modify micros, do terrain boards or hexes, or just view other people's stuff; they have all been informative and inspirational. Like many of us on this forum, I am a "returnee" to the hobby after many years of "the real life". Maybe linking GHQ with all of you pro's out there, and a dedicated New-comer section to the GHQ site would be useful to "Growing the Hobby".

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ShortRound70 wrote:
Just my 2 cents worth on "Growing the Hobby". I agree with Fulcrum as to GHQ linking to this forum's member's web sites. It would be like "one stop shopping" for micro armor.
While I agree with you and Fulcrum that a links page would be a nice idea I think the job might be harder for GHQ than we imagine. At Tstockton's suggestion in another thread I perused the member list, sorting by all those who displayed websites. Now I didn't count, and I didn't hit every site, but I did hit most, and of those I'd have to say that less than half the links provided hit valid user's websites. Most linked to places offering online gambling, ring tones for your phones, other non-game related businesses including ** CENSORED ** and, um... enhancement products (and I'm not talking about enhancing your armored division :oops:). There was even one ** CENSORED ** site and I'm not sayin' who's it is (though I might suggest the moderators clean that one out before some kids find it).

Now, if people offered their links to GHQ for display that would make their job easier. But they'd also have to police the links from time to time to ensure they were still active and still relevent.

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Tanker:
You bring up some points that I had not thought of. I should have looked through all of the sites listed in the membership. :oops: However, I think that most of the membership to this forum know who the "respected/responsible" site owners are. Policing the forum should be SOP for the folks at GHQ. (NOT a criticism, just comment.) The offending member/site ought to be removed ASAP. We have a good group of folks here on the forum, I'd like to keep it that way. Forgive the ramblings of a mid-50 year old man, I need a nap. :lol:

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Hey ShortRound,

No need to apologize. From one mid 50s old geezer to another. :)

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Growing the Hobby

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Hi Everyone

I'm back from my 13 day business trek to Alabama and Georgia. The good news is that The War Room is still in business but they have moved their location. They used to be in Norcross which is in NE Atlanta but have relocated to Storbridge Road(sp). If you are going to Atlanta take the 285 loop to Peachtree Industrial Blvd and go north a few miles until you get to Pleasant Hill/ Storbridge. Turn left and go down less than a mile until you see a shopping center on the left with a Home Depot and Target.
The good news is that they are in business and seem to be doing okay. They don't seem to have as large a selection of GHQ stuff as they did a couple of years ago and I.m not sure how well they are supporting the line but they do still have wall space dedicated for it and not in some clearance box. They are also getting rid of their Humbrol paints. I just thought I would let you know.
I plan to attend Historicon this year but probably won't run a game until later this summer due to my busy schedule. If any of you get to the Phoenix area let me know.

Pete - Binpicker, Out!

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tanker wrote:Hi AU Cav,

I guess a bunch of us took a long hiatus when we decided we were too old not to become involved in Real Life <tm>. It's one of the reasons I quit the theatre and became a computer engineer.

You bring up a good point about rules sets which tags on to my questions about who's playing what these days. I checked out the Schwere Kompanie site a bit and may pick up the rules on spec. I also want to look at Mein Panzer and the GHQ rules though I'm less interested in them because like you I prefer 1:1 games.

As I mentioned I got heavily invested in the Yaquinto games and I've pulled those out again. I've scanned the data cards from each game (there are 151 including three that were published after the games were as add ons) and they include infantry units, some air, as well as a variety of tracked and wheeled vehicles. I've also started scanning in the rule books and have the rules for Panzer, their first game, in the can and in PDF format. So then, my questions are these;

1. Since Yaquinto is out of business, and if I recall bought out by Avalon Hill years ago, does AH still own the rights to the games or is there any way to find out?
If AH bought them out in totality, then we should assume that they also now own the rights to any Yaquinto products whether they are in print or not.
2. Barring any question of who owns the games, since they're no longer being pulished would it be unethical to offer to email a copy of the rules to anyone here who wanted to check them out? I'm all for doing things right and ethical, especially when it comes to small company game designers, though AH doesn't really fit into the small category. Still, if they own it then that's that isn't it.
I'm not sure of the ethics, but consider that just because the game is not being currently published, doesn't mean it won't be again in the future, in which case, handing out photocopies now could be considered damaging to the success of those sales.
I would not sell the rules or data cards and have no interest in making money off my hobby. I've scanned these for both archival reasons and because the data cards are small and my eyes are old and I simply can't read them anymore. Thus I am printing off both sides of each card onto a single side of 8.5x11 paper (back in the day I had entered all the data cards into a series of Lotus 123 spreadsheets, but they're now backed up on 5.25" floppies and I no longer have one of those drives, but it got me a medal and a promotion to Captain with the Colby St. Irregulars for being a crazy person with no life).

So these are the questions I lay before the combined wisdom. Please discuss.

Tanker
If AH does not own the rights to the Yaquinto rules, that doesn't mean they are freeware. My guess is that the author would still hold intellectual rights to the rules.

Why not write to AH and see what they say. Then try to track down the author. Who knows, they might be perfectly fine with you sending photocopies to your friends.

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tanker wrote:
As I mentioned I got heavily invested in the Yaquinto games and I've pulled those out again. I've scanned the data cards from each game (there are 151 including three that were published after the games were as add ons) and they include infantry units, some air, as well as a variety of tracked and wheeled vehicles. I've also started scanning in the rule books and have the rules for Panzer, their first game, in the can and in PDF format. So then, my questions are these;

1. Since Yaquinto is out of business, and if I recall bought out by Avalon Hill years ago, does AH still own the rights to the games or is there any way to find out?

2. Barring any question of who owns the games, since they're no longer being pulished would it be unethical to offer to email a copy of the rules to anyone here who wanted to check them out? I'm all for doing things right and ethical, especially when it comes to small company game designers, though AH doesn't really fit into the small category. Still, if they own it then that's that isn't it.

I would not sell the rules or data cards and have no interest in making money off my hobby. I've scanned these for both archival reasons and because the data cards are small and my eyes are old and I simply can't read them anymore. Thus I am printing off both sides of each card onto a single side of 8.5x11 paper (back in the day I had entered all the data cards into a series of Lotus 123 spreadsheets, but they're now backed up on 5.25" floppies and I no longer have one of those drives, but it got me a medal and a promotion to Captain with the Colby St. Irregulars for being a crazy person with no life).
I beleive that those rules are owned by the guys at Lost Battalion Games. They are putting out a miniatures version of the rules.
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Hi Paul
I beleive that those rules are owned by the guys at Lost Battalion Games. They are putting out a miniatures version of the rules.
You're quite right. I have done some more research since my previous post and Jim Day and the guys at Lost Battalion are revamping the old Panzer game and putting out expansion packs. I may have to pick up a copy and compare the new version to the old one, though it is a bit pricey at $59.95 for the core game and between $20 and $25 each for the three expansions. It looks like they've made some modifications to the data cards and trimmed them down a bit.

So my scans will go into my archive to be printed out for my own use so I can put the originals back in the box and store them.

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