Question on Vietnam era Air/rotarcraft
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Question on Vietnam era Air/rotarcraft
I was looking through both the Vietnam and modern aircraft selections and I am wondering, what rotor craft (helicopters) and fixed wing air craft were used by the United States during this time? I remember the Sea Stallion in a few old videos, but I'm not sure.
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There is a wide range of both fixed and rotary wing aircraft that were used in vietnam.
Sea Stallion was used by the marines, and the Jolly Green Giant(USAF version). Early AH-1 cobra models were in use by the army and marine corps. The UH-1 had just come out also. In use by both marines and army. As far as fixed wing aircraft. The F-4 was in wide use, by the airforce, navy, and marines. The navy used the A-6 intruder, a carrier based bomber used mostly in night missions. The airforce was using the F-105 thunderchief, an odd looking fighter bomber, the A-1 skyraider(turbo prop ground support aircraft) and also the ubiquitous b-52. Hope this helped. You can find alot more info from plently of websites.
Sea Stallion was used by the marines, and the Jolly Green Giant(USAF version). Early AH-1 cobra models were in use by the army and marine corps. The UH-1 had just come out also. In use by both marines and army. As far as fixed wing aircraft. The F-4 was in wide use, by the airforce, navy, and marines. The navy used the A-6 intruder, a carrier based bomber used mostly in night missions. The airforce was using the F-105 thunderchief, an odd looking fighter bomber, the A-1 skyraider(turbo prop ground support aircraft) and also the ubiquitous b-52. Hope this helped. You can find alot more info from plently of websites.
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GHQ Product numbers:
HELOCOPTERS
AC64 CH 21B Shawnee (earlier part of Vietnam) Brand new release by GHQ
AC65 CH34A Choctaw (ealier part of Vietnam) Another Brand New Release by GHQ.
Of course there is no exact cut off date they helo's were used up to and then no longer used / replaced by newer helo's.
AC57 UH 1B Huey "Slick"
AC58 UH 1B Gunship version
Of course GHQ has listed the AC21 UH 1D/H Huey as a Vietnam era helo but I am told if they were there at all it was in the very end of it like 73'. Of course I never looked it up myself so who knows. Second hand info isn't always 100% even though that person might of been there.
AC24 OH-58A KIOWA a Scout Helo during that time...probably later war
AC22 AH 1Q Cobra....first dedicated attack helo (Altered in the manufacture plant Huey from my understanding)
AC34 CH47 D/H was used during this time as well. It was also used to an extent as an attack helo / gunship for a bit...which would be a little conversion from the one they sell.
AC39 CH 53E mid to later part of the war
Plus not produced by GHQ you have the CH-46 which was used by the Marines and Navy (similar to the CH 47 but smaller
AIRPLANES
AC4 F 4E Phantom
AC60 A-1H Skyraider (prop driven plane designed for close air support)
Other planes not produced by GHQ
A-7 Navy plane
A-6 Navy Plane
F-105 Airforce
F-100 Airforce
OV-10 Bronco Airforce recon plane
F-5 (used by South Vietnam from somthing like 70' or 71' onward)
These are of course the ones used by US, ANZAC, ARVN forces.
For North Vietnam forces ... I would have to look up for any hard info on them...but...
even though it was older I understand that the MIG 15 was used
MIG 19
MIG 21
MI-8 Hip (very limited)
HELOCOPTERS
AC64 CH 21B Shawnee (earlier part of Vietnam) Brand new release by GHQ
AC65 CH34A Choctaw (ealier part of Vietnam) Another Brand New Release by GHQ.
Of course there is no exact cut off date they helo's were used up to and then no longer used / replaced by newer helo's.
AC57 UH 1B Huey "Slick"
AC58 UH 1B Gunship version
Of course GHQ has listed the AC21 UH 1D/H Huey as a Vietnam era helo but I am told if they were there at all it was in the very end of it like 73'. Of course I never looked it up myself so who knows. Second hand info isn't always 100% even though that person might of been there.
AC24 OH-58A KIOWA a Scout Helo during that time...probably later war
AC22 AH 1Q Cobra....first dedicated attack helo (Altered in the manufacture plant Huey from my understanding)
AC34 CH47 D/H was used during this time as well. It was also used to an extent as an attack helo / gunship for a bit...which would be a little conversion from the one they sell.
AC39 CH 53E mid to later part of the war
Plus not produced by GHQ you have the CH-46 which was used by the Marines and Navy (similar to the CH 47 but smaller
AIRPLANES
AC4 F 4E Phantom
AC60 A-1H Skyraider (prop driven plane designed for close air support)
Other planes not produced by GHQ
A-7 Navy plane
A-6 Navy Plane
F-105 Airforce
F-100 Airforce
OV-10 Bronco Airforce recon plane
F-5 (used by South Vietnam from somthing like 70' or 71' onward)
These are of course the ones used by US, ANZAC, ARVN forces.
For North Vietnam forces ... I would have to look up for any hard info on them...but...
even though it was older I understand that the MIG 15 was used
MIG 19
MIG 21
MI-8 Hip (very limited)
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Whom ever told you the UH-1D entered the Vietnam conflict in 1973 does not know much about the deployment of the Huey in RVN. Here are some facts...
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/uh-1.htm
The Dogs were in use in country very early, with the H model coming quickly behind in '68/'69.
The Ch-53D made the conflict after '67 http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/h-53.htm , the three engined 53-Echo version did not show up until 1981 so it was not in country (RVN) at all. You can use the Pave Low version with some modifications as the D model.
USMC used the CH-34 front line through mid '67 but they were recalled to full combat duty when the CH-46s developed a "falling out of the sky" tendency before the end of 67 and into 68. http://www.popasmoke.com/misc/uh-34.pdf provides information and a picture of the 34 Dog in its Sage Green USMC color not usually shown in photographs.
Why GHQ does not have the CH-46 I don't know, but the other guy has a very good version available. The CH-46 is nothing like the Army's CH-47 other than they both have two rotors.
Marines had a few Baker model Hueys (Marines called them the Echo model) with modifications from the original of their own as gun ships after '65/'66 when they got tired of the Army flying their little Baker Gun Ships in support of the Marines from Marble Mountain. The USMC got Cobras after initial training by the Army, ...Marine Huey Cobras first became operational in April 1969 with VMO-2 in Vietnam. In December 1969, the AH-1Gs were transferred to HML-367. After flight tests beginning that same month and subsequent trials, the first AH-1Js joined them in February 1971, entering combat the following month.
Will
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/uh-1.htm
The Dogs were in use in country very early, with the H model coming quickly behind in '68/'69.
The Ch-53D made the conflict after '67 http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/h-53.htm , the three engined 53-Echo version did not show up until 1981 so it was not in country (RVN) at all. You can use the Pave Low version with some modifications as the D model.
USMC used the CH-34 front line through mid '67 but they were recalled to full combat duty when the CH-46s developed a "falling out of the sky" tendency before the end of 67 and into 68. http://www.popasmoke.com/misc/uh-34.pdf provides information and a picture of the 34 Dog in its Sage Green USMC color not usually shown in photographs.
Why GHQ does not have the CH-46 I don't know, but the other guy has a very good version available. The CH-46 is nothing like the Army's CH-47 other than they both have two rotors.
Marines had a few Baker model Hueys (Marines called them the Echo model) with modifications from the original of their own as gun ships after '65/'66 when they got tired of the Army flying their little Baker Gun Ships in support of the Marines from Marble Mountain. The USMC got Cobras after initial training by the Army, ...Marine Huey Cobras first became operational in April 1969 with VMO-2 in Vietnam. In December 1969, the AH-1Gs were transferred to HML-367. After flight tests beginning that same month and subsequent trials, the first AH-1Js joined them in February 1971, entering combat the following month.
Will
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I was just giving the models that were / are produced by GHQ in terms of the CH-47 and others.
I will let them know about the D model being in country. To be honest with you I was just listening to them in the background while we played a game so they might not of been so clear cut anyways about it not being there and I might not have heard the final conclusion of there discussion.
For the CH-46 and CH-47 being similiar the two rotor is what I was talking about. Keeping it simple.
Sean
I will let them know about the D model being in country. To be honest with you I was just listening to them in the background while we played a game so they might not of been so clear cut anyways about it not being there and I might not have heard the final conclusion of there discussion.
For the CH-46 and CH-47 being similiar the two rotor is what I was talking about. Keeping it simple.
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I didn't want you to have to spend money where unnecessary... 
You may find yourself in a "spending limit arms race" unless you pick a time period carefully... 
The one real advantage of the Vietnam conflict from a gamers prospective is the varied equipment levels, innovations, improvements, and upgrades that occurred during the 10 years of the conflict.
You can do very early period with H-21's and H-34's, mid/late period with UH-1's, H-47's and Cobras for the Army, or H-34's for Marines up to late '67 and H-46's from '68 on plus a few H-53s late with UH-1B's (E Mod for USMC) until the Cobras arrived late war.
Gives you a nice mix by time period though there is a definite difference between what the USMC used and the Army fielded. Having the whole assortment of support weapons from Naval Gunfire; Gunships like the AC-47, AC-119, and finally the AC-130; artillery including 105mm, 155mm to 203mm Howitzers and Guns... and transport of every size and description including my favorite...
Plus the ultimate support in the form of ARCLight...
And a variety of tactical aircraft support...
Whatever you decide to model, ...do it well. You can count on this forum to provide support and encouragement if you need help in most areas.
Will
You may find yourself in a "spending limit arms race" unless you pick a time period carefully... The one real advantage of the Vietnam conflict from a gamers prospective is the varied equipment levels, innovations, improvements, and upgrades that occurred during the 10 years of the conflict.
You can do very early period with H-21's and H-34's, mid/late period with UH-1's, H-47's and Cobras for the Army, or H-34's for Marines up to late '67 and H-46's from '68 on plus a few H-53s late with UH-1B's (E Mod for USMC) until the Cobras arrived late war.
Gives you a nice mix by time period though there is a definite difference between what the USMC used and the Army fielded. Having the whole assortment of support weapons from Naval Gunfire; Gunships like the AC-47, AC-119, and finally the AC-130; artillery including 105mm, 155mm to 203mm Howitzers and Guns... and transport of every size and description including my favorite...
Plus the ultimate support in the form of ARCLight...
And a variety of tactical aircraft support...
Whatever you decide to model, ...do it well. You can count on this forum to provide support and encouragement if you need help in most areas.
Will
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The Army used H-13 Hillers as scouts/liason early in war. The air cavalry units used the OH-6 Cayuse (GHQ Stock# AC11) as aeroscouts, until they were gradually phased out and replaced by the OH-58s beginning around 1970. The scout drivers were not happy about giving up their beloved Loaches either.
Also the AH-1Q (AC22) is not a good representation of a Viet Nam era Cobra. The Q model was an early TOW armed version that began service in the late 70s. The G models that served in Viet Nam did not have TOW capability. They were armed with a chin turret with a 7.62mm minigun and a 40mm grenade launcher, and wing stores consisted of either 7 or 19 shot 2.75" rocket pods or alternatively either another 7.62mm or later 20mm minigun pods.
Que up "The Ride of the Valkeryies"
Also the AH-1Q (AC22) is not a good representation of a Viet Nam era Cobra. The Q model was an early TOW armed version that began service in the late 70s. The G models that served in Viet Nam did not have TOW capability. They were armed with a chin turret with a 7.62mm minigun and a 40mm grenade launcher, and wing stores consisted of either 7 or 19 shot 2.75" rocket pods or alternatively either another 7.62mm or later 20mm minigun pods.
Que up "The Ride of the Valkeryies"
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