Don't worry guys, there has been no infiltration at GHQ. As mentioned in our original post, we just want to get a better read on our customers. It is helpful for us to know what your interests are, how you use our models, ideas that you have, etc. Up until a few months ago, we didn't even know that anyone used our models with the FoW rules. Now we do, and we are trying to figure out how widespread it is, and if it is growing.. Our feeling is that whatever way people use to get in to the hobby is great. If people want to put together a game with whatever rules, and use our miniatures to build a cheap army, that is a easy and cheap way to get into gaming with historicals. Ultimately many people will want more than a "gamey game", as a previous poster put it. The more people who get into historicals, the better for GHQ, and for all of you.
In the future, we will occasionally post some of these more provocative posts to try to get some opinions and comments from our forum users. Feel free to post any comments that you have, the more that these topics can get batted around, the better.
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Von Omar
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I am currently putting GHQ figures together for Fow (basing and such) because of the cost and size of battles.
GHQ allows for much larger battles using FoW which I like.
FoW is a great system for quick games and tournaments or my favorite, campaigns.
The point system is easy and the game plays easily and quickly.
I used to use 15mm Battlefront figs for it, but like it was said earlier, its like a parking lot, even with 1500 point armies on an 8x6 table. It ends up being a placement and then move forward type of game. I prefer some room for maneuver.
More on point for GHQ's concerns... I originally bought close to $3000 US in GHQ minis all at once to have just about everything I'd need for just about every FoW list. The cost would be 10 times or more then that to get the same forces in FoW figs. Then the other large factors are storage space, transportation and cost of putting scenery together, added paint usage, etc etc.
The cost benefit alone makes GHQ worth while and GHQ's minis are so beautifully detailed and quick to paint up (comparitivley to 15mm).
There really is no down side.
As far as the detail of FoW is concerned, I realize its very abstracted, but its still 1:1 ratio (essentially) which I like. The only problems I had playing a test game of GHQ's rules were the lack of 1:1. I can't envision platoons of tanks with 1 unit. Thats just my preference though but prevents me from using any GHQ rulesets.
For anything in greater detail I still play Easy 8's in 28mm to get my "detail" games in.
Essentially, I dont think it would be a bad idea to cater a little more to FoW "type" rules or perhaps "FoW Ready" boxed products.
I will soon be pushing FoW in micro armor very soon in my area (once I get my terrain maker assembled
).
A colaboration with FoW might be an idea.
Keep up the good work.
GHQ allows for much larger battles using FoW which I like.
FoW is a great system for quick games and tournaments or my favorite, campaigns.
The point system is easy and the game plays easily and quickly.
I used to use 15mm Battlefront figs for it, but like it was said earlier, its like a parking lot, even with 1500 point armies on an 8x6 table. It ends up being a placement and then move forward type of game. I prefer some room for maneuver.
More on point for GHQ's concerns... I originally bought close to $3000 US in GHQ minis all at once to have just about everything I'd need for just about every FoW list. The cost would be 10 times or more then that to get the same forces in FoW figs. Then the other large factors are storage space, transportation and cost of putting scenery together, added paint usage, etc etc.
The cost benefit alone makes GHQ worth while and GHQ's minis are so beautifully detailed and quick to paint up (comparitivley to 15mm).
There really is no down side.
As far as the detail of FoW is concerned, I realize its very abstracted, but its still 1:1 ratio (essentially) which I like. The only problems I had playing a test game of GHQ's rules were the lack of 1:1. I can't envision platoons of tanks with 1 unit. Thats just my preference though but prevents me from using any GHQ rulesets.
For anything in greater detail I still play Easy 8's in 28mm to get my "detail" games in.
Essentially, I dont think it would be a bad idea to cater a little more to FoW "type" rules or perhaps "FoW Ready" boxed products.
I will soon be pushing FoW in micro armor very soon in my area (once I get my terrain maker assembled
).A colaboration with FoW might be an idea.
Keep up the good work.
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chrisswim
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GHQ figures for FOW, better placement & displacement on the table top. Better scale of firing for the 6mm figures vs. 15mm.
Combined Arms (R) for modern has been used extensively in 6mm & 15mm in Jax. FL area over the years. More infantry heavy type senarios for 15mm, typically. And more tank heavy senarios for 6mm.
Combined Arms (R) for modern has been used extensively in 6mm & 15mm in Jax. FL area over the years. More infantry heavy type senarios for 15mm, typically. And more tank heavy senarios for 6mm.
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Zeppelin
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I'm very glad to see GHQ investigating the FOW situation. FOW has been very instrumental in introducing historical gaming into the local gaming community.
Here in Utah, historical miniatures gaming in the retail market became nearly extinct and totally transfered to the internet shopping market. There are still many historical gamers out here, but they are fragmented into specialized groups of friends and mini-clubs. We haven't had historical miniatures in a convention since the early 90's! Our gaming community has grown considerably iin the Games Workshop area, however, and the number of games stores has actually increased. As FOW developed in the American market, some of us who started ordering it from NZ made an effort to introduce demonstration games at the GW-oriented gaming stores, and as of today we have dedicated in-store FOW gaming groups in all 4 major population areas.
I've thought carefully about what made the difference. Years ago, with the help of a local mall-based gaming store owner, I tried introducing GHQ miniatures and several WW2 rulesets like Command Decision. We only got about 4 people involved, who all turned out to be long-time historical gamers anyway. Another hobby store that usually deals with models stocked GHQ for a while but never offered rules sets or promoted the miniatures (they actually didn't know what historical gaming was!). They eventually got rid of the stock.
FOW turned out to be different. I think it is because the FOW owners were not aiming the product at people like me, the dedicated historical gamer. Thank goodness. Unlike all the other historical WW2 games out there, this was a set that a person new to historical gaming could understand. IT showed how to organize, paint, and compare it to the historical counterparts. It sure has worked here locally. The game store owner saw the reaction to the demonstration games and started ordering stock. Now we are close to a couple of dozen players out of this one store itself, and it's growing. And amazingly, MOST of the players and collectors are people who have only gamed space or fantasy so far. Now they are asking me about other historical periods. YAHOO!
Our die-hard historical group of historical gamers I game with regularly has also gone the way of FOW. You can see some of our games at http://www.wfhgs.com . Why? because it is FUN. Also, we can finish a large game in sufficient time before wives begin to growl and snarl. Yes, it has some representational oddities, but we are not above creating house rules and scenario guidelines to correct these. We have played massive games of up to 10,000 points per side and have lots of fun, but then we don't always stick to points-based equal amounts competitions. The cool thing is that we CAN, if we want to, which works well with our store-based gaming circle.
But we haven't given up our other WW2 gaming, either. For larger operational battles, we use GHQ microarmor and the Blitzkreig Kommander rules. For skirmishing, we use 20mm and 28mm figures with Arc of Fire rules. The neat thing about BK rules is that they work well in either 1:5 or 1:1 ratios, to suit the taste of the gamer. And we haven't completely forgotten Command Decision, either, for deep complexity.
Lately I've finally gotten some GHQ figures put together to try FOW with mircoarmor. I'm going to try the France 1940 campaign. However, some ancients and colonials are inline first, so I'll let you know how it turns out. I did, however, look through the combat command sets to see if they would work out point wise, and I'm afraid that by themselves, they don't work out too well, they would need additional packs to make workable.
Perhaps GHQ could work with the people at FOW to develop a "microarmor adjustment" pdf download?
Just some thoughts!
Here in Utah, historical miniatures gaming in the retail market became nearly extinct and totally transfered to the internet shopping market. There are still many historical gamers out here, but they are fragmented into specialized groups of friends and mini-clubs. We haven't had historical miniatures in a convention since the early 90's! Our gaming community has grown considerably iin the Games Workshop area, however, and the number of games stores has actually increased. As FOW developed in the American market, some of us who started ordering it from NZ made an effort to introduce demonstration games at the GW-oriented gaming stores, and as of today we have dedicated in-store FOW gaming groups in all 4 major population areas.
I've thought carefully about what made the difference. Years ago, with the help of a local mall-based gaming store owner, I tried introducing GHQ miniatures and several WW2 rulesets like Command Decision. We only got about 4 people involved, who all turned out to be long-time historical gamers anyway. Another hobby store that usually deals with models stocked GHQ for a while but never offered rules sets or promoted the miniatures (they actually didn't know what historical gaming was!). They eventually got rid of the stock.
FOW turned out to be different. I think it is because the FOW owners were not aiming the product at people like me, the dedicated historical gamer. Thank goodness. Unlike all the other historical WW2 games out there, this was a set that a person new to historical gaming could understand. IT showed how to organize, paint, and compare it to the historical counterparts. It sure has worked here locally. The game store owner saw the reaction to the demonstration games and started ordering stock. Now we are close to a couple of dozen players out of this one store itself, and it's growing. And amazingly, MOST of the players and collectors are people who have only gamed space or fantasy so far. Now they are asking me about other historical periods. YAHOO!
Our die-hard historical group of historical gamers I game with regularly has also gone the way of FOW. You can see some of our games at http://www.wfhgs.com . Why? because it is FUN. Also, we can finish a large game in sufficient time before wives begin to growl and snarl. Yes, it has some representational oddities, but we are not above creating house rules and scenario guidelines to correct these. We have played massive games of up to 10,000 points per side and have lots of fun, but then we don't always stick to points-based equal amounts competitions. The cool thing is that we CAN, if we want to, which works well with our store-based gaming circle.
But we haven't given up our other WW2 gaming, either. For larger operational battles, we use GHQ microarmor and the Blitzkreig Kommander rules. For skirmishing, we use 20mm and 28mm figures with Arc of Fire rules. The neat thing about BK rules is that they work well in either 1:5 or 1:1 ratios, to suit the taste of the gamer. And we haven't completely forgotten Command Decision, either, for deep complexity.
Lately I've finally gotten some GHQ figures put together to try FOW with mircoarmor. I'm going to try the France 1940 campaign. However, some ancients and colonials are inline first, so I'll let you know how it turns out. I did, however, look through the combat command sets to see if they would work out point wise, and I'm afraid that by themselves, they don't work out too well, they would need additional packs to make workable.
Perhaps GHQ could work with the people at FOW to develop a "microarmor adjustment" pdf download?
Just some thoughts!
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Paul B
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I agree that FOW should recieve cudos. I have seen the local store discard its entire GW stock and have watched a die hard group of 40K gamers lose their space marines for SS.
The package they have presented to new historical gamers is phenomenal. I have started to bring my microarmor to the store to attract some interest. Interest will most likely increase after they go to Historicon. Yes, they are going to historicon for the first time.
In short, as one of the begining to gray, I thank FOW for the transfusion our hobby needed.
The package they have presented to new historical gamers is phenomenal. I have started to bring my microarmor to the store to attract some interest. Interest will most likely increase after they go to Historicon. Yes, they are going to historicon for the first time.
In short, as one of the begining to gray, I thank FOW for the transfusion our hobby needed.
Go for Broke!!
Paul
Paul
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Von Omar
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I have to agree with the Combat Command packs not working out, but its still much cheaper to get a company together in micro armor and the left overs add a nice element of "alternatives" for playing around with left over points, or the "look" of the army.
Converting inches to cm's works well so that none of the actual measurements in FoW need to change. No calculations works well at convincing others its worth while and easy to use micro armor for FoW. To make the game more "realistic" you can stick with inches to give more range and greater moving distances, but this doesnt translate well into bomb templates and such though.
I think the general concessus would be to make some FoW compatable box sets from GHQ. Couldnt hurt
GHQ does a nice job at presenting the hobby, but unlike the guys at FoW (nothing personal GHQ) they have a fully integrated product line with a complete and expanding modular rule set based on theatre and time periods. This allows the end user to get fully aquainted with the rules, the hobby, the miniatures and the community in one convenient place.
Constant updating of the website is a big factor as well. People love their weekly news updates. FoW's customer support is also top notch.
All in all, I love the GHQ material. Its just the full integration that sells FoW as well as the rules ease of access.
Perhaps collaborating with FoW would be nice, but I can't imagine they'd welcome the competition with open arms. Tough to say.
Converting inches to cm's works well so that none of the actual measurements in FoW need to change. No calculations works well at convincing others its worth while and easy to use micro armor for FoW. To make the game more "realistic" you can stick with inches to give more range and greater moving distances, but this doesnt translate well into bomb templates and such though.
I think the general concessus would be to make some FoW compatable box sets from GHQ. Couldnt hurt
GHQ does a nice job at presenting the hobby, but unlike the guys at FoW (nothing personal GHQ) they have a fully integrated product line with a complete and expanding modular rule set based on theatre and time periods. This allows the end user to get fully aquainted with the rules, the hobby, the miniatures and the community in one convenient place.
Constant updating of the website is a big factor as well. People love their weekly news updates. FoW's customer support is also top notch.
All in all, I love the GHQ material. Its just the full integration that sells FoW as well as the rules ease of access.
Perhaps collaborating with FoW would be nice, but I can't imagine they'd welcome the competition with open arms. Tough to say.
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Azure
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I wanted to see what all this "FoW" stuff was all about, so i went and looked at a couple of websites....seems they make their own line of minis, rules, etc, designed for a "company level" game. I also noticed that their minis are rather pricey, about 9$ for a tank or pack of infantry. So, for a "company" of, lets say, tanks, i could get...hmm...math....well, the same 9$ gets me 5 GHQ minis! Not to mention those tanks need support and recovery vehicles, close infantry support, etc., and their level of detail really isnt what i would expect from a mini so much larger than GHQs.
On the other side of the coin, i saw a couple other manufacturers of 15 mm minis, whos prices were a BIT lower, but who's level of detail was rather impressive. It also seems that FoW has done a good job of attracting new players into a otherwise very "target audence specific" market.
Will i switch to 15mm versus the smaller minis? Nope. BUT, i may buy enough to be able to host small games, probably Germans versus Soviets, perhaps a couple platoons of tanks and some infantry, and use it as a recruitment aid at gaming cons, train shows, etc. (as someone said in another post, ill let them use the T-34s...ill use the lowly Pz IIs and IIIs ) There is a lot to be said for a larger figure in terms of visibility, and the farther away someone can see what you are doing, the more likely you are to get someone to look closer. For small (company or lower) level scenarios, the larger minis would be OK if a bit crowded on a small 4x8 area, though building terrain of a city or dense forest would help reduce LOS to a believable distance for these minis.
On the flipside, i wonder how much of Stalingrad i could fit on a 4x8 area, in 1/285 scale? Hmmm...
If players of FoW wanted to be able to use more vehicles on a more believeable scale, i would say using GHQ minis is a perfect answer.
The mailman finally arrived! Azure
On the other side of the coin, i saw a couple other manufacturers of 15 mm minis, whos prices were a BIT lower, but who's level of detail was rather impressive. It also seems that FoW has done a good job of attracting new players into a otherwise very "target audence specific" market.
Will i switch to 15mm versus the smaller minis? Nope. BUT, i may buy enough to be able to host small games, probably Germans versus Soviets, perhaps a couple platoons of tanks and some infantry, and use it as a recruitment aid at gaming cons, train shows, etc. (as someone said in another post, ill let them use the T-34s...ill use the lowly Pz IIs and IIIs ) There is a lot to be said for a larger figure in terms of visibility, and the farther away someone can see what you are doing, the more likely you are to get someone to look closer. For small (company or lower) level scenarios, the larger minis would be OK if a bit crowded on a small 4x8 area, though building terrain of a city or dense forest would help reduce LOS to a believable distance for these minis.
On the flipside, i wonder how much of Stalingrad i could fit on a 4x8 area, in 1/285 scale? Hmmm...
If players of FoW wanted to be able to use more vehicles on a more believeable scale, i would say using GHQ minis is a perfect answer.
The mailman finally arrived! Azure
From model tanks to model railroading back to TINY model tanks...they just keep getting smaller
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pmskaar
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FOW and GHQ
My take on this is that overall FOW has been a boon to the historical side of the hobby. With its one stop shopping approach and the ready availability in many game stores this has lured many people into the historical side of the hobby that would not have made it otherwise. I also don't have a problem with GW either even though it is not historical due to to fact that it brings people into miniatures in the first place. A logical and neat progression that I have seen is that kids start into GW and gradually get into FOW. It is then up to us to some extent to expand their horizons into the really cool world of GHQ micro armor. I touched on some of this in my "Growing the Hobby" thread and most of the people I have recruited have had at least some experience with FOW so that they already have some sort of grounding in WWII to start.
Pete - Binpicker, Out!
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Devildog
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As others have said, hook 'em with FoW and use that to draw them into the more realistic "simulation" type games. FoW is a great GAME, not as realistic as some of the other simulations out there, but it is easy to learn and quick to play without getting bogged down in too many charts & tables.
"Hell no we're not retreating. We are just attacking from a different position." Gen. Oliver Smith USMC
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jb
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...on my way to go recon a bike trail at Blue mound,I decided to stop at the Last Square.
This is a wargame shop in Madison,WI. I looked through the 'oW section they had. Simply amazing,the thing took up a whole wall of the shop,all kinds of new things since I last looked through. Anyway,as I checked out they had a full color addition to 'oW sitting by the cash register. I asked "How much for this?" expecting the same ploy that GW uses of charging an arm,a leg and your first born for an addition to existing rules. "Nothing" says Bev,"If you bought the first core rules". I did some 2 1/2 years ago right there,so I got a set.
Now I don't play 'oW ,but I thought that was just down right nice of those 'oW folks,and I wanted to share with you.
If this 'oW thing will help inspire young 'uns ,I might just have to set up a few games using micro armour,you know to go "Phishing"
This is a wargame shop in Madison,WI. I looked through the 'oW section they had. Simply amazing,the thing took up a whole wall of the shop,all kinds of new things since I last looked through. Anyway,as I checked out they had a full color addition to 'oW sitting by the cash register. I asked "How much for this?" expecting the same ploy that GW uses of charging an arm,a leg and your first born for an addition to existing rules. "Nothing" says Bev,"If you bought the first core rules". I did some 2 1/2 years ago right there,so I got a set.
Now I don't play 'oW ,but I thought that was just down right nice of those 'oW folks,and I wanted to share with you.
If this 'oW thing will help inspire young 'uns ,I might just have to set up a few games using micro armour,you know to go "Phishing"
John
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El Grego
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Howdy,
If I were to get into FoW, I would greatly consider using GHQ minis instead of the 15mm selection available, mostly out of financial reasons (it would not become the main focus of my collecting).
There does seem to be some movement towards using GHQ minis among the FoW players in the Seattle area - several people on a Seattle FoW Yahoo-group were banding together to place an order for GHQ minis...
If I were to get into FoW, I would greatly consider using GHQ minis instead of the 15mm selection available, mostly out of financial reasons (it would not become the main focus of my collecting).
There does seem to be some movement towards using GHQ minis among the FoW players in the Seattle area - several people on a Seattle FoW Yahoo-group were banding together to place an order for GHQ minis...
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Greg
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Two blogs - not much GHQ content, yet...
https://pewterpixelwars.blogspot.com/
https://minishipgaming.blogspot.com/
Greg
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Two blogs - not much GHQ content, yet...
https://pewterpixelwars.blogspot.com/
https://minishipgaming.blogspot.com/
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1ComOpsCtr
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Its interesting to read all the comments about using 5/6mm figures and equipment for a 15/25mm styled game system. Flames of War is basically Warhammer 40K meets WW2.
Like Games Workshop the Flames of War folks have raised their prices considerably since introduction, but unlike GW the FoW people have issued the rules update for free to those who purchased the original set... pretty fantastic marketing if you ask me.
Several years ago my group started gaming 40K in 5/6mm scale. We used the Epic figures and equipment and the regular 40K 25/28mm rules with no modification to scale. It works very well, and looks great. GW doesn't want to hear this, obviously, and I would imagine GoW doesn't either. But... if GHQ was to market equipment and figures packs that would adapt to FoW I believe they could succeed in making the transition quite quickly, and again I would not change the movement or range scale at all, as it looks more realistic to have the longer ranges in the first place...
FoW plays quickly and you can have a resolution in a couple of hours... something very few rules allow any more. It works well in tournaments, which would also help GHQ sell more miniatures as more people became involved... which would help the industry and the hobby grow, which is something we need since our gamers are beginning to die out, "all-be-it" slowly for the moment.
Next Friday and Saturday ComOpsCtr will be conducting one of our large city games in the St. Louis area at one of the last hobby shops within the metro-plex that is St. Louis. The game will involve a German (NATO) force in Bosnia against Russians and Russian backed Serbs in an attempt by the Serbs to gain control over Bosnia again... The game will be 1 for 1 in 1mm per foot scale, which means everything is to the scale of the miniatures both horizontally and vertically... Players will have personal objectives as well as their rolls as commanders of the various military units on the board.
Just my thoughts,
Will
ComOpsCtr
Like Games Workshop the Flames of War folks have raised their prices considerably since introduction, but unlike GW the FoW people have issued the rules update for free to those who purchased the original set... pretty fantastic marketing if you ask me.
Several years ago my group started gaming 40K in 5/6mm scale. We used the Epic figures and equipment and the regular 40K 25/28mm rules with no modification to scale. It works very well, and looks great. GW doesn't want to hear this, obviously, and I would imagine GoW doesn't either. But... if GHQ was to market equipment and figures packs that would adapt to FoW I believe they could succeed in making the transition quite quickly, and again I would not change the movement or range scale at all, as it looks more realistic to have the longer ranges in the first place...
FoW plays quickly and you can have a resolution in a couple of hours... something very few rules allow any more. It works well in tournaments, which would also help GHQ sell more miniatures as more people became involved... which would help the industry and the hobby grow, which is something we need since our gamers are beginning to die out, "all-be-it" slowly for the moment.
Next Friday and Saturday ComOpsCtr will be conducting one of our large city games in the St. Louis area at one of the last hobby shops within the metro-plex that is St. Louis. The game will involve a German (NATO) force in Bosnia against Russians and Russian backed Serbs in an attempt by the Serbs to gain control over Bosnia again... The game will be 1 for 1 in 1mm per foot scale, which means everything is to the scale of the miniatures both horizontally and vertically... Players will have personal objectives as well as their rolls as commanders of the various military units on the board.
Just my thoughts,
Will
ComOpsCtr
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Mobius
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We once designed a super fast set of rules that resolved in several minutes. You didn't even have to take the tanks out of their tank traps. Just label them properly.
All your tanks are belong to us.
Panzer War rule system
Panzer War rule system
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I like FoW a lot, because it's a game. I'm not really all that interested in hard-core simulationism, especially when it involves a lot of tedious table-reference -- that sort of thing is best left to computers. When I wargame, I like the emphasis to be on the game, and as long as the results aren't too wildly beyond what I'd expect from a nominally historical system, then that's enough for me.
I've bought a few Battlefront 15mm pieces, but mainly because I like the scale for modelling: large enough to be able to see what's what, but small enough that they don't take up too much space. They aren't particuarly cheap though; 20mm (1/72) plastics are better value for money for larger scale wargaming purposes, not to mention that the range of vehicles and figures available is a lot wider.
I much prefer 6mm for WW2 gaming, not least because of the cost factor, but also because the small scale means that either I can play a game in a much smaller space, or else have a more visually realistic ground scale for the layout. And when it comes to detail and quality, GHQ stuff is unsurpassed, so for preference I'd use GHQ models. But I'd play FoW.
I've bought a few Battlefront 15mm pieces, but mainly because I like the scale for modelling: large enough to be able to see what's what, but small enough that they don't take up too much space. They aren't particuarly cheap though; 20mm (1/72) plastics are better value for money for larger scale wargaming purposes, not to mention that the range of vehicles and figures available is a lot wider.
I much prefer 6mm for WW2 gaming, not least because of the cost factor, but also because the small scale means that either I can play a game in a much smaller space, or else have a more visually realistic ground scale for the layout. And when it comes to detail and quality, GHQ stuff is unsurpassed, so for preference I'd use GHQ models. But I'd play FoW.
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jb
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...this is interesting! I was starting to do the same exact thing a few months back. But when I got started I remembered why I sold all my 40K crap(can we use that word here?1ComOpsCtr wrote: Several years ago my group started gaming 40K in 5/6mm scale. We used the Epic figures and equipment and the regular 40K 25/28mm rules with no modification to scale...
Will
ComOpsCtr
),I didn't like that particular game. But it did let us check out what has been happening in the epic realm. There is a game called Netepic,very cool. If you want to check it out go to the epicenter or epicentre and nav from there.sorry about getting a little off the subject at hand...
John