I need Polish Trucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

[supertsar]

I've played 3 1939 scenarios and it is insane without any trucks for the Poles! How about a new rule GHQ - if you make the infantry for a country YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM A TRUCK!!!!
Or have you read too much German propoganda and think they always rode horses into battle?
Are there any Polish truck experts out there? Did they license build and use some models that GHQ makes?

http://peacock.au.poznan.pl/~garaz/c_all/c_003_menu.htm

[RoughRIder]

Well i understand your delima... I know that Heroics and Ros makes the vehicle that you are looking for. The model isnt as good as quality as ghq, but you would be able to fill your need. i agree with you completely... if your going to make figures for a country you need to make transports for them also. The other thing that i find disturbing is that they release a ruleset for WW2 and have tanks listed that they dont even carry. Hummm

[tstockton]

RoughRider,

The other thing that i find disturbing is that they release a ruleset for WW2 and have tanks listed that they dont even carry.

I think the answer to your statement is to add a single word at the end -- yet. I think if we give them enough time, they'll get around to most of what we would like to see. Look how much they grow their line every year -- eventually, I think they'll get about everything covered.

Of course, it is unrealistic to assume that GHQ will make everything... that's where the scratchbuilders and "modifiers" come in!

Or am I hoping for too much?...

Regards,
Tom Stockton
patiently waiting for a good M-103 model...

[RoughRIder]

Cama... I was going to suggest the same trucks or the Studebakers but after the last time i did and got shot down.... i thought that he would want a manufacture that actually carried that exact truck.

Tstockton... I understand that they have been doing a wonderful job of improving the line of vehicles.. my reference was the the Micro Armour®: The Game- WWII that they produced. Upon which they list Chec and Belgian TO&E and vehicles refences to vehicles that you would think that they would of had already at time of press. Not trying to start a fight or anything.... was just making a point.

[tstockton]

RoughRider,

Not trying to start a fight or anything.... was just making a point.

I apologize if that is the way my note came across... I just "felt the urge" to comment. Sometimes, my comments don't come through quite as they were intended...

I suppose we could look at it in a "bad news, good news" situation...

Bad news: GHQ doesn't make everything we need... yet...

Good news: They do make a lot of stuff, keep most of what they make in stock, and are constantly adding to their line. Hooray!!

Hope Santa is quite generous to you -- and to all of us -- this year!

Regards,
Tom Stockton

[RoughRIder]

Tom,

You didnt come across strong or wrong. Was just making comment that GHQ has had their rulebook out since 2001 and they havent yet filled the vehicles that they list in their own set of rules. So i was just in a understanding mode when Supertsar had stated about the lack of vehicles for the poles.

I enjoy playing early war and feel that this is one area that they lack in vehicles.... is all.

Santa has already been very good to me this year... hope he is as generous to everyone else.

[supertsar]

Thanks for the suggestions.
But as far as using Soviet trucks... something about it gives me the willys.
Picturing my Polish soldiers in the Soviet trucks I get a bad feeling... like my soldiers might drive into a forest and never be seen again!! I guess it's the Katyn Forest thing.
It's like mixing oil and water in my psyche - and I know what that leads to... BAD DICE ROLLING!
I think I will give heroics and Ros a try. I do have their Rolls Royce armored car - (everytime I use it I have to laugh ) But you can tell what it is, even far away - thats all that really matters.

[Mk 1]

supertsar said:
Thanks for the suggestions.
But as far as using Soviet trucks... something about it gives me the willys.
Picturing my Polish soldiers in the Soviet trucks I get a bad feeling...

Ah, but fear not, oh wizened one.

The trucks in question are based on the Ford Model A. Ford set up the GAZ plant, and put the model A truck into production as the GAZ-AA.

There is no distinctive characteristic to a pre-war or early-war GAZ-AA, as this model shows. It is, in most every way, simply a Ford Model A truck. The Ford was one of the most common trucks in the world in the 1920s and 30s. And it was widely copied, in style if not in mechanicals.

(That's all in ref to the four wheeler. The six wheeler was an incremental Soviet development.)

[supertsar]

Yes I know it is a model A knock-off... almost vehicle the Soviets started the war with started out as a foreign design. From the T-26 to the BT-series leading to the T-34. But if you see a military picture of a model A type truck in any WWII photograph 9999 out of 10000 times it is the Soviet built Model A. There-in lies the dilemna. As soon as I put a model A style truck on my warboard it is obviously Soviet and incorrect.

[Mk 1]

OK, you don't want GAZs, how about French Renault AHSs?

The AHS bears a pretty good resemblance to the Polish army truck PLInz 713, I believe. There had been a license arrangement with Renault, although I don't think the 713 was a licensed Renault truck. Still, it had a strong resemblance, a 3 ton truch with a cab-over-engine design and a sloped cab front.

Or you might try some of the UK Chevrolet LRDG trucks. About 5 models of Chevrolet trucks were built in Poland in the early 1930s. Just don't put all the guns on it.

Or you could try the Italian SPA 35. The Poles built an SPA truck under license for several years. Unhappily it was the SPA25, not the 35, and I have no idea how different they looked.

Best of all would be getting some Fiat 621 light trucks. I think that was the single highest-volume truck made in Poland prior to WW2. But alas, GHQ doesn't offer the Fiat light truck. Another vendor does, but the quality of that particular model is reputedly worse than even their normal stuff.

However, given than only a very small percentage of the Polish army was motorized at all, why are you so worried about the trucks. Really, only American and British infantry need to ride in trucks. Anyone else can walk for most cases during the war.

[dnichols]

In answer to an earlier issue raised. I believe that GHQ published the WWII rules with a good many vehicles and weapons on purpose for several reasons.

1) They planned on making many of these new vehicles or weapons and have added quite a number to thier line since then. With the interest in the the Polish campaign, they have expanded that line alone significantly in the past couple years. The Hungarian line has also grown signifcantly.

2) I liked seeing the less common vehicles in the rules, made for interesting reading.

3) I also believed that they listed many vehicles they didn't have in thier line up to give more completeness to the rules and to increase interest in them. More people express interest in Axis minor tank XYZ and well it tells them what vehicle to make next. GHQ is a business, with a an excellent customer service attitude. Enough of us tell them we want something and that we will buy it, they will make it.

In this case, were it me, I would find a close substitute and play on.

Speaking of playing, I would love to see some Polish scenarios or AARs posted here.

Merry Christmas!