Informal Poll

Eagle · Post by **Eagle** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:41 am

i am hoping to see GHQ create miniatures and write rules allowing gamers to expand into gaming the Korean War 1950-1953. How many other gamers are interested in this area?

Eagle

Brian-Edmonton · Post by **Brian-Edmonton** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:26 am

I am actually collecting miniatures for this very time period so I am definitely interested.

Brian

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:41 am

They don't call it "The Forgotten War" for nothing.

I don't see GHQ doing a Panther Jet for a long time. But most of everything else is available...well, minus a Corsair. You can make a passable M46 by buying Pershing turrets & M47 chassis'. Like wise, you need to buy HVSS Sherman hulls & mate them up with 105 turrets. I doubt if they will ever make the correct LVT. Maybe the Okinawa version which would pass.

thenorthman · Post by **thenorthman** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:42 am

I have started collecting some Korean items as well.

There is a company out there that make some nice Panthers.....

Sean

30YRSGHQ · Post by **30YRSGHQ** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:54 am

The "other guys" produce the M46, the Corsair and the HVSS 105mm. They are very nice, even though I prefer GHQ.

Mickel · Post by **Mickel** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:18 pm

That's an impressive paint job for 1:285th.

Cav Dog · Post by **Cav Dog** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:57 pm

I have thought about gaming the Korean War, but my impression is that it was primarily an infantry war, with few clashes between opposing armor units. Were there any major tank v tank clashes? Obviously there weren't any Kursk type tank fights, but was there anything of significance?

Don't get me wrong, I would love to game the desprate struggles for narrow passes and desolate hilltops, I just can't figure out how to model that type of terrain effectively for use with minis.

Although I think the Pusan perimeter would lend itself to some interesting historical & what if scenarios.

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:07 am

Well, it had a heck of a lot more tank on tank action than the 'Nam, and people game that!

In Korea, the tank on tank stuff was early on, while the N. Korean army was still intact. They had T-34/85's & Su-76's. I've heard of platoon on platoon level actions.

As for later, the Chinese had JS-2's & JSU-122's in caves that they would bring out, shoot a few, & back back in & hide. A USMC M46 even scored an opportunity hit on a JSU122 (with HE) when it came out to play.

However, after the Chinese were involved Stalin kept 3 USSR regiments of the latest JS-4's right across the Yalu which he no doubt would have used against the UN had they broken through Chinese lines. A broader USSR/UN conflict was not far fetched. Not only was the USSR involved in Mig15 operations, but there were even units flying in their own colors against the Sabres. USSR air defense regiments alone along the Yalu numbered 60,000 + personnel.

Lots of valid what-if material there

wilykylee2000 · Post by **wilykylee2000** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:54 am

When I put together my Korean era forces I found a 1950's gap in vehicles - world armies wide. GHQ only skimmed the crew-cut era and it would be nice to flesh out the forces with the last of the heavy tanks, new fully-tracked APC's and SP arty that were
running around back then.

Armor was really only clashing until 1951 when the stalemate and static lines apperared. US had far more variants involved than N forea or China ever used. Lots of potential scenarios but probably better in 1 to 1 scale.

tstockton · Post by **tstockton** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:22 pm

Gotta agree with "y'all" -- although I have to admit, I'd like to see more of every era!

How about some self-propelled artillery -- specifically, the M-52 105mm, M-53 155mm and M-55 203mm guns? Ya, you betcha I'd buy some!!

Regards,
Tom Stockton

scythian · Post by **scythian** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:22 pm

Definitely need the M-52, M-53, and the M-55. Also would like to see SP Artillery like the M-108, M109 and the M-103 Heavy Tank for some other hypothetical early cold war games.

Mk 1 · Post by **Mk 1** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:17 am

Well, as much as I would love to see more models from this era, I'm would not agree that there is any shortfall of equipment for Korean War gaming in the current GHQ catalog.

I have gamed Korean clashes many times. Never felt that there was some critical piece of kit that I could not find. OK ... Saber jets are not on the available list, but Saber jets didn't do ground-pounding, and it is primarily the planes that stirred the mud that I want.

As to the ground forces... for Korea, you can cover the great majority of clashes with combinations of:

"Them":
T-34-85
SU-76
Russian Winter Individual Infantry and Support Weapons (lots of infantry, lots of mortars!)
Russian 76mm "Crash-Boom" (ZiS-3)

"Us":
M4A3E8
Pershing
Chaffee
Jeep with 75mm RCL
M3 HT
US 2 /12 Ton Truck
US Individual Infantry and Support Weapons
105mm Howitzer
155mm Howitzer

Doing some very interesting clashes like the clash before Osan (the first actions of the famous Task Force Smith) takes nothing more than a subset of this list.

From: http://korea50.army.mil/history/factshe ... mith.shtml
Task Force Smith was named for Lieutenant Colonel Charles B. Smith, commanding officer, 1st Battalion, 21st Regiment, 24th Infantry Division. It comprised 406 officers and men: half of the battalion headquarters company, two understrength rifle companies (B and C), a communications section, a recoilless rifle platoon and two mortar platoons. In addition to its rifles, the task force had two 75mm recoilless rifles, two 4.2-inch mortars, six 2.36-inch "bazooka" rocket launchers and four 60mm mortars. ...

About three miles north of Osan, Smith found an ideal blocking position, a line of low rolling hills about 300 feet above the level ground. This position also commanded the main railroad line to the east, and afforded a clear view to Suwon, about eight miles north.

On July 4, the task force was joined at Pyongtaek by part of the 52d Field Artillery Battalion: half each of headquarters and service batteries, and all of A Battery with six 105mm howitzers, 73 vehicles, and 108 men ....

In cold, rainy weather they dug foxholes. The American position extended about a mile on both sides of the Suwon-Osan road. The troops laid telephone lines to four of the howitzers, placed in a concealed position some 2000 meters to the south. One 105mm howitzer was positioned halfway between the battery and the infantry position in order to cover the length of the road and serve as an antitank gun. Volunteers from the artillery made up four .50-caliber machine gun and four 2.36-inch bazooka teams and joined the infantry position to the north. The infantry vehicles were located just to the south of their position; the artillerymen had concealed their trucks just north of Osan. ...

At dawn on the July 5th, ... after 7:00 a.m., movement was detected to the north. Within half an hour, a column of eight North Korean T-34 tanks, part of the 107th Tank Regiment of the 105th Armored Division, approached across the open plain from Suwon. ... The battery had only six armor-piercing high-explosive antitank HEAT rounds available ... all of which were given to the single howitzer forward. ... Smith ordered 75mm recoilless rifle fire withheld until the column of tanks reached the 700-yard range.

Now tell me, who here would NOT want to pick it up from there and game out the rest of THAT?

DrBig · Post by **DrBig** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:52 am

Speakin' of mud movers, who makes the Panther?

thenorthman · Post by **thenorthman** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:15 am

DrBig I sent you a PM with the links for the Panther plane. It really isn't to bad of a model of course no where near the standard of GHQ's models of aircraft but it does have the flaps "modeled" and the canopy does have a "frame" instead of just a round bubble.

Sean

Informal Poll

Informal Poll

M46, Corsair, HVSS 105mm