Actually, I agree with you, Ritter. As much fun as I have researching hypothetical weapons of 1947, Matilda I would be much more useful.
Don S.
Wehrmact '47 Predictions?
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I think everyone has probably figured out that I too am not thrilled that GHQ is dedicating corporate resources to the Wermacht '47 line when there are huge holes in existing lines (eg no middle eastern or African militia OPFOR).
And in their new release thread I even bust GHQ's chops a bit (in a friendly way) for releasing yet another COIN vehicle and destroyed ME buildings when it seems they have no plan to produce a complete opposing force to wargame with these great new models (eg middle eastern militia + middle eastern civilians + middle eastern buildngs = complete product line).
An so with that understanding I suggest we leave the Wermacht 47 thread to the two guys actually interested in buying the products.
Ok, ok, it's just a joke! But seriously, a lot of us have weighed in on the topic, it's a done deal, so I would politely recommend that we let the W47 gamers have the thread to themselves to discuss the product line. I have no intention of buying the stuff but I am curious about the potential models (I would actually consider buying if they looked like the Dust Tactics vehicles/mechs from the AT-43 folks!)
I'm also amazed at how much info Donald has come up with!!! Interesting stuff and well done!
But at this point with W47 a done deal it borders on thread jacking to keep bringing up "The Other Product Lines Gap Issue" in this particular thread. GHQ knows how some of us feel, so let's move on and leave the W47 thread to W47 information like Donald has gathered (and express our interests in new product in other, more appropriate threads.)
Best Regards,
Tim
And in their new release thread I even bust GHQ's chops a bit (in a friendly way) for releasing yet another COIN vehicle and destroyed ME buildings when it seems they have no plan to produce a complete opposing force to wargame with these great new models (eg middle eastern militia + middle eastern civilians + middle eastern buildngs = complete product line).
An so with that understanding I suggest we leave the Wermacht 47 thread to the two guys actually interested in buying the products.
Ok, ok, it's just a joke! But seriously, a lot of us have weighed in on the topic, it's a done deal, so I would politely recommend that we let the W47 gamers have the thread to themselves to discuss the product line. I have no intention of buying the stuff but I am curious about the potential models (I would actually consider buying if they looked like the Dust Tactics vehicles/mechs from the AT-43 folks!)
I'm also amazed at how much info Donald has come up with!!! Interesting stuff and well done!
But at this point with W47 a done deal it borders on thread jacking to keep bringing up "The Other Product Lines Gap Issue" in this particular thread. GHQ knows how some of us feel, so let's move on and leave the W47 thread to W47 information like Donald has gathered (and express our interests in new product in other, more appropriate threads.)
Best Regards,
Tim
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"I think everyone has probably figured out that I too am not thrilled that GHQ is dedicating corporate resources to the Wermacht '47 line when there are huge holes in existing lines (eg no middle eastern or African militia OPFOR). "
It is all a matter of perspective (not trying to rude.). Personally, It think most 3rd World scenarios are a complete bore. So, I would say the samething if GHQ did come out with a line of African Indig figures. Why!?
If three is is interest in this GHQ would be foolish not to take advantage.
It is all a matter of perspective (not trying to rude.). Personally, It think most 3rd World scenarios are a complete bore. So, I would say the samething if GHQ did come out with a line of African Indig figures. Why!?
If three is is interest in this GHQ would be foolish not to take advantage.
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Japanese in Wermacht ‘47
If Germany had survived until 1947, it seems reasonable that additional US forces would have been siphoned from the Pacific theater to Europe and that the Japanese might also have continued to this time. After all, the Japanese lasted longer than the Germans in the historic war. The following vehicles could have been active in a 1947 campaign, either on the Asian mainland or in defense of the Home Islands:
Self-propelled anti-aircraft gun So-Ki: This was a twin 20 mm mount on the modified chassis of a Ha-Go (Light Tank Type 95). Historically, a small number were built but there is no record of extensive use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), flail attachment: This was a late-model Chi-Ha tank (retaining turret and armament) with a mine-clearing flail attachment (similar to Sherman Crab). Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), bulldozer attachment: This was a late-model Chi-Ha tank (retaining turret and armament) with a bulldozer blade. Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), “jungle cutter†attachment: This was a late-model Chi-Ha tank (retaining turret and armament) with a large wedge-shaped attachment on the front of the hull (purpose similar to Culin hedgerow device, but appearance totally different). Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), bridgelayer: This was a Chi-Ha tank chassis with the turret removed and a roller-mounted bridge set on top. Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Se-Ri armored engineer/recovery vehicle: This was a Chi-Ha tank chassis with the turret removed and a low cupola in place of the turret. Various versions had either an A-frame or jib crane on the back decking. Some had earth-moving equipment (shovel-buckets) mounted on the jib crane. Since these would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and were not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Ho-Ni I self-propelled anti-tank gun Type 1: This was a Chi-Ha tank chassis with the turret replaced by a high-velocity 75 mm gun in a three-sided shield. A small number were encountered in the Philippines and Okinawa, but most were reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Ho-Ni II self-propelled howitzer Type 1: This was the same chassis and shield as the Ho-Ni I, but with a 105 mm howitzer in place of the 75 mm gun. The small number built was reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Ho-Ni III self-propelled anti-tank gun Type 1: Generally similar to the Ho-Ni I, but with a top and back added to the shield and a higher-powered 75 mm gun. Very few were built and none saw combat.
Ho-Ro self-propelled howitzer Type 4: This was a 150 mm howitzer mounted on a modified Chi-Ha tank chassis. The concept was similar to the German Hummel, but the Japanese version was badly over-weight and not successful. Apparently, only a very small number were built.
Chi-He (Medium Tank Type 1): This was an improved Chi-Ha with welded armor, lengthened wheelbase and wider tracks. Some may have seen combat in China.
Chi-Nu (Medium Tank Type 3): A further improvement of the Chi-Ha with a larger turret and a high-velocity 75 mm gun. Only 60 were completed, all of which were reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Chi-To (Medium Tank Type 4): [No, this is not a pun on the Cheetos Cheetah.] The Japanese considered this their equivalent of the German Panther. The chassis was similar to the Chi-Ha with a seventh wheel added to each side. A well-shaped turret mounted a high-velocity 75 mm gun. Only six were completed; none of which left the immediate vicinity of the factory.
Chi-Ri (Medium Tank Type 5): The Japanese considered this their equivalent of the German Tiger. The chassis was similar to the Chi-Ha but with eight wheels on each side. The turret was to contain a 85-to-100 mm gun. Only one prototype was completed, with no armament fitted.
Ho-Ha (Half-tracked armored personnel carrier Type 1): This was similar in concept to the German Sd.Kfz.251, but less sophisticated and slightly larger. A small number were encountered in the Philippines and in China. The total number built was relatively small.
Ho-Ki (Fully-tracked armored personnel carrier Type 1): Same engine and tracked chassis as the Ho-Ha with an open-topped rear compartment. The total number built was relatively small.
20 cm rocket launcher Type 4: This was an army design for launching unguided rockets. It had the appearance of a giant mortar. Small numbers were encountered by US forces late in the island-hopping campaign, but many more were reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Rocket motor and launching trough Type 10: This was a naval design consisting of a crude launching trough, a 150-pound aircraft bomb and a rocket booster. These were encountered late in the island hopping campaign wherever Naval Infantry were based.
44.7 cm rocket and launcher: This was a spin-stabilized rocket with a crude wooden or metal launching trough. A large number were to be built an emplaced to cover likely landing areas in the Home Islands.
If Germany had survived until 1947, it seems reasonable that additional US forces would have been siphoned from the Pacific theater to Europe and that the Japanese might also have continued to this time. After all, the Japanese lasted longer than the Germans in the historic war. The following vehicles could have been active in a 1947 campaign, either on the Asian mainland or in defense of the Home Islands:
Self-propelled anti-aircraft gun So-Ki: This was a twin 20 mm mount on the modified chassis of a Ha-Go (Light Tank Type 95). Historically, a small number were built but there is no record of extensive use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), flail attachment: This was a late-model Chi-Ha tank (retaining turret and armament) with a mine-clearing flail attachment (similar to Sherman Crab). Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), bulldozer attachment: This was a late-model Chi-Ha tank (retaining turret and armament) with a bulldozer blade. Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), “jungle cutter†attachment: This was a late-model Chi-Ha tank (retaining turret and armament) with a large wedge-shaped attachment on the front of the hull (purpose similar to Culin hedgerow device, but appearance totally different). Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Chi-Ha (Medium Tank Type 97), bridgelayer: This was a Chi-Ha tank chassis with the turret removed and a roller-mounted bridge set on top. Since this would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and was not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Se-Ri armored engineer/recovery vehicle: This was a Chi-Ha tank chassis with the turret removed and a low cupola in place of the turret. Various versions had either an A-frame or jib crane on the back decking. Some had earth-moving equipment (shovel-buckets) mounted on the jib crane. Since these would have been useful primarily in offensive operations and were not developed in time for the Japanese expansion of early 1942, these saw little use.
Ho-Ni I self-propelled anti-tank gun Type 1: This was a Chi-Ha tank chassis with the turret replaced by a high-velocity 75 mm gun in a three-sided shield. A small number were encountered in the Philippines and Okinawa, but most were reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Ho-Ni II self-propelled howitzer Type 1: This was the same chassis and shield as the Ho-Ni I, but with a 105 mm howitzer in place of the 75 mm gun. The small number built was reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Ho-Ni III self-propelled anti-tank gun Type 1: Generally similar to the Ho-Ni I, but with a top and back added to the shield and a higher-powered 75 mm gun. Very few were built and none saw combat.
Ho-Ro self-propelled howitzer Type 4: This was a 150 mm howitzer mounted on a modified Chi-Ha tank chassis. The concept was similar to the German Hummel, but the Japanese version was badly over-weight and not successful. Apparently, only a very small number were built.
Chi-He (Medium Tank Type 1): This was an improved Chi-Ha with welded armor, lengthened wheelbase and wider tracks. Some may have seen combat in China.
Chi-Nu (Medium Tank Type 3): A further improvement of the Chi-Ha with a larger turret and a high-velocity 75 mm gun. Only 60 were completed, all of which were reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Chi-To (Medium Tank Type 4): [No, this is not a pun on the Cheetos Cheetah.] The Japanese considered this their equivalent of the German Panther. The chassis was similar to the Chi-Ha with a seventh wheel added to each side. A well-shaped turret mounted a high-velocity 75 mm gun. Only six were completed; none of which left the immediate vicinity of the factory.
Chi-Ri (Medium Tank Type 5): The Japanese considered this their equivalent of the German Tiger. The chassis was similar to the Chi-Ha but with eight wheels on each side. The turret was to contain a 85-to-100 mm gun. Only one prototype was completed, with no armament fitted.
Ho-Ha (Half-tracked armored personnel carrier Type 1): This was similar in concept to the German Sd.Kfz.251, but less sophisticated and slightly larger. A small number were encountered in the Philippines and in China. The total number built was relatively small.
Ho-Ki (Fully-tracked armored personnel carrier Type 1): Same engine and tracked chassis as the Ho-Ha with an open-topped rear compartment. The total number built was relatively small.
20 cm rocket launcher Type 4: This was an army design for launching unguided rockets. It had the appearance of a giant mortar. Small numbers were encountered by US forces late in the island-hopping campaign, but many more were reserved for defense of the Home Islands.
Rocket motor and launching trough Type 10: This was a naval design consisting of a crude launching trough, a 150-pound aircraft bomb and a rocket booster. These were encountered late in the island hopping campaign wherever Naval Infantry were based.
44.7 cm rocket and launcher: This was a spin-stabilized rocket with a crude wooden or metal launching trough. A large number were to be built an emplaced to cover likely landing areas in the Home Islands.