"HISTORICAL" Wish List for 2010-2011

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Doug B
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Post by Doug B »

I'll get the list started for "HISTORICAL" items. These should be models that really existed. Not fanciful eguipment that didn't get off the drawing board or out of someone's brain.
Let's ditch also the kit that had less than say 50-100 examples actually produced and get to the REAL gaping holes in the GHQ line - the lack of a Great War line! All we've got are FT17s, Rolls-Royce armored cars and late war French infantry. We ALL know that every gamer needs the following to game the titanic battles in a war that destroyed three empires:

- Tank Mk 1 through V (including V* and V**)
- Tank Medium A (Whippets)
- A7Vs
- Erhardt and other armored cars
- Tommies
- Pickelhaub Fritzes
- 1914 French
- Austro-Hungarians
- Turks
- Russians
- Italians
- Camels / Dolphins / Junkers J1s / etc for ground attack

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Post by Timothy OConnor »

Hey, maybe the new fantasy German vehicles can be used as "Space Ork Truks" for Epic?

:-D

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Post by Panzerleader71 »

Timothy OConnor wrote:Hey, maybe the new fantasy German vehicles can be used as "Space Ork Truks" for Epic?

:-D
Well, with GW flushing the Epic system (once again :x )those of us who enjoy the game will have to find proxies somewhere. :?
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Post by Panzerleader71 »

"...the lack of a Great War line!"

Never really saw the interest in gaming this era. No maneuver warfare, or combined operations. Just a bunch of PBI stuck in the mud being MG'd to death. :?
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Post by Ben »

voltigeur wrote: Image

Sheridan to BMP new version
This is not a VISMOD of a Sheridan, it is M113 with a VISMOD kit to resemble a BMP-2.
AFAIK the Sheridans are all withdrawn and replaced with M113 VISMOD versions (including the shown BMP-2 but also T-80).

Cheers Ben

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Re: My wish list

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chrisswim wrote: Patria AMV:
Nine countries including Poland, Switzerland, & South Africa has ordered the Patria AMV 8X8 APC. Wheeled APCs are being deployed by several countries, just as the Stryker is by many countries.
Hi,

can you give me more details on the AMV for Switzerland?
Never read about this deal before.

Cheers Ben

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Firefight wrote:Voltigeur -you are referring to the M551's and other US equipment used at the National Training Center (NTC) modified to appear as the Opposing Forces (OPFOR). Yes, they fought many battles...lol.
And they won most of them through home field advantage and rules lawyering.

Should GHQ decide to manufacture this line, you should have to sign an affidavit that you will do the following whenever gaming against them:

-turn the heat up to maximum in your gameroom
-stay up for two days straight prior to the onset of any game
-go to a tanning booth and get a bad sunburn
-set up an industrial quality fan and have it blow sand in your face the whole time you are gaming
-all games start at 2 AM, and have to be over by 11 AM, then spend the rest of the day in the tanning booth.
-eat nothing but MREs and drink only warm water
-sleep on the floor
-adopt some coyotes, flies, ants and spiders, then release them into your gameroom
-no use of TV, cell phones, refrigerators, microwave ovens or other modern appliances other than an AM radio on which you can only listen to stations from Omaha or Amarillo
-You must have a device which plays the following message every 5 minutes: "This is Six, request sitrep and runners. Over."
-Find the most annoying FOW fanboy you game with and have him explain why your tactics were wrong at the end of each game, in front of your spouse/significant other/boss.

8)
Tactics are the opinion of the senior officer present.

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Post by voltigeur »

This is not a VISMOD of a Sheridan, it is M113 with a VISMOD kit to resemble a BMP-2
Yes you are correct! :oops:

I noticed that Sunday as I was reviewing the post. I was at my second job and didn't have time to correct it.

CavDog:
And they won most of them through home field advantage and rules lawyering.
And that is different from the regular wargames how? :twisted:

OK the cool factor is only in the looks of the vehicles!
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Post by Doug B »

Never really saw the interest in gaming this era. No maneuver warfare, or combined operations. Just a bunch of PBI stuck in the mud being MG'd to death.
Only between ~Oct/Nov 1914 and Mar 1918.

And one could make the same point about Stalingrad and any of a number of other city fights, or the island hopping campaigns of the USMC in WW2. If maneuver is your bag then look at the campaigns in Mesopotamia, Palestine, Russia, SE Africa and Rumania. Otherwise just accept the challenge of attacking a heavily fortified position and do the best you can.

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Post by chrisswim »

Patria AMV

link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_AMV

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/patria/

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/sho ... p/cat/4208

Images for the Patria AMV
http://images.google.com/images?sourcei ... e&resnum=4

Video of the AMV
http://video.google.com/videosearch?sou ... e&resnum=8#

The AMV, the Stryker and the Boxer along with perhaps a few others are competing in the new generation wheeled (8x8) APC market place. The wheeled offers lower acquistion cost and lower operational cost.

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Post by Panzerleader71 »

"...any of a number of other city fights,..."

True, it is hard to properly model a good city fight in a table top wargame. However, WWII infantry did have advantages that WWI couterparts did not. Weapons of the "bunker busting" class to bring down buildings, combined ops with tanks and assault guns, as well as properly supplied air support, along with a good helping of SP Arty. All things that make "modern" warfare "pop". :wink:
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Post by dalewill »

Generic modern/3rd world infantry WITHOUT helmets.

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Post by Doug B »

"...any of a number of other city fights,..."

True, it is hard to properly model a good city fight in a table top wargame. However, WWII infantry did have advantages that WWI couterparts did not. Weapons of the "bunker busting" class to bring down buildings, combined ops with tanks and assault guns, as well as properly supplied air support, along with a good helping of SP Arty. All things that make "modern" warfare "pop".
Of course most of the weapons that became relatively more common in WW2 were there in WW1. Flamethrowers, SMGs, light mortars, tanks, "fast" air, etc. were all in service before the armistice.

But we could debate the merits based on what our own biases are forever. So back to the point of this thread - everyone has a wish-list. I enjoy WW2 and moderns as much as the next guy, but I'd rather see GHQ open up into new areas like they did with WM47 than see their catalog go further into the minutiae of "gaping holes" of vehicles whose total production runs could be pretty much all accounted for on my fingers and toes. The Great War seems like a natural choice for expansion of the 1/285 line.

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Post by Panzerleader71 »

"...GHQ open up into new areas like they did with WM47..."

And look at the reaction when they did this. I can certainly see why GHQ might be reluctant (not saying they are) to expand into a different direction.

I was just a little concerned with the wording in your original post, about "ditching" the "fantasy", or limited run vehicles that (ie WM47) in the GHQ line. Just trying to point out that there are people who like the WM47 line, as you would like a WWI line. As you say we all have our opinions about what we want, and we should back each other up on them.

Back to "historical" suggestions for modern.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. 1967 and '73 A/I War Combat Commands.
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Post by Ben »

Hi chrisswim,

the Patria AMV is definitely a nice thing - but still cannot find any info on the Switzerland (named in your original post) purchasing them :wink: .

However enough about that, as for toady I do not see the Boxer being a successful vehicle on the international market. After the very early withdraw of France (now doing some competition with the VBCI) and the later goodbye of the Brits, it is now more or less a bi-national project of NL and GE. It was recently evaluated by the British again, following the FRES Utility requirement - a modified Piranha IV (Piranha V) was chosen but the whole FRES Utility seems to get halted again...
At last I sometimes wonder about the size of such modern wheeled AFVs (a Boxer compared to e.g. Leopard 2 looks like a real big beast!) and I fear that such hardware is equally complicated as their tracked counterparts, with maybe some cost factors being lower than that of tracked AFV. On the other hand the limits of such vehicles are evident, especially when operating in terrain met in AFG or similar locations.

Uupps, I fear I am getting rather off-topic :oops: .

I forgot, all the posted photos of the OPFOR vehicles are very nice - thanks for sharing!

Kind regards,
Ben

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