Love the Wehrmacht 47 range and have bought most of it.
Can I ask for some projected bridgelayers and some big tanker trucks for all sides or I think it's going to mean short campaigns - with these monsters, it's all about the logistics and big bridges must become strategic objectives if they aren't going to be stopped in their tracks.
Perhaps a Maginot Line scenario of empty tanks versus infantry is called for?
I've got these little, smaller than 1/700th scale, Japanese made collectible toy versions of the totally absurd E-1000. They came with optional rear turrets to use, either Maus tank turrets or a large( Alligator?) twin AA cannon turrets. The main turret looks like somthing from a German heavy crusier or battleship.
For fun, using the toys as guides, I was thinking of scratchbuilding one in 1/285th. I've already got some warship parts in my bits box, including the turret, fire control/sight dome, spare flak guns, and a crane( for hoisting ammo I guess...). All I need to do is order from GHQ a couple Maus turrets...probably when I place my big Wehrmacht47 order.
Of course it would be fun to plop an E-1000 on the game table to be used as a Nazi version of a....ahem..."Bolo" or "Ogre". And having something like that sitting in my army box would be a fun conversation piece.
The thought of one of those ponderous monstrosities on the battlefield is a bit difficult to contemplate. I have discovered information about a German transport vehicle which would have 10 lmg, 2 weapon 38, 300 mm of armor and be capable of about 15 kmn loaded.
Now, this is the intended payload: six fully equipped MAUS tanks or 300 troops. This would be handy indeed but until I can rediscover it's location it will remain a mystery.
Frankly, I would rather have the 128mm Selbstfahrlafette /61 or the Dickermax 10.5 cm SP which had credit for 22 kills.
The name of this beast was Schildkrote (I do not know if this is a put on or not).
35m long, 14m wide, 12m high. More later.
RaccoonEmpire wrote:What!? Nobody wants an E-1000!?
I've got these little, smaller than 1/700th scale, Japanese made collectible toy versions of the totally absurd E-1000. They came with optional rear turrets to use, either Maus tank turrets or a large( Alligator?) twin AA cannon turrets. The main turret looks like somthing from a German heavy crusier or battleship.
Did it look something like this?
If so, Nazgul on this forum already built it in 1/285! That and a couple other monstrosities that are truly amazing. Look in the scratchbuilding thread around page 27 or so.
Paul
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It is somewhere in a German late war planning article. At first, I doubted the dimensions would hold six combat ready Maus equivalents but after getting a look at the Mice and figured the space needed, the size might be about right.
Well, I'll be......schildkrote in German means turtle or a big shell. That makes sense for a very large transport for tanks to combat areas. Still, this may be a put on but I'll keep investigating.
This is the remainders from the list of WWII artillery tractors I posed earlier. Although self-propelled pieces were becoming more important, there would still have been a need for towed artillery in Wehrmacht ’47 scenarios.
Soviet Union:
BTR-152 (post-war) [W71]
Tractor, Artillery, Full-Track, light (M2 and AT-L) (post-war)
Tractor, Artillery, Full-Track, medium (AT-S) (post-war)
Tractor, Artillery, Full-Track, heavy (AT-T) (post-war)
UK:
Truck, 4 x 4, ½ ton GS, Rover 8 (Land Rover) (post-war)
Truck, 4 x 4, ¾ ton GS, Rover 9 (Land Rover) post-war
Carrier, Windsor, Mark I* (Ford C49WC) (expansion of Universal Carrier) (post-war)
Tractor, Light Artillery, ¾ Track (AEC Matador) (not produced)
Tractor, 6 x 6, Light Artillery (Dennis Octolat) (not produced)
Tractor, Field Artillery, ¾ Track (Bedford BT ‘Traclat’) (not produced)
Tractor, Wheeled, 10 ton, GS, 6 x 6, Medium Artillery, Leyland (post-war)
Tractor, 6 x 6, Heavy Artillery (AEC) (not produced)
US:
Truck, ¾ ton, 4 x 4, Cargo (Ford GAJ) (low-profile replacement for Weapons Carrier – no production)
Truck, 1½ ton, 4 x 4, Cargo (Ford GTB, Chevrolet G-7129, or Studebaker LC4) (low-profile prototypes – no production)
Truck, 2½ ton, 6 x 6, Cargo (GMC DCKW-3, International M-6-6, or Studebaker LA6x6) low-profile prototypes – no production)
Truck, Armored, Half-track, 2½ ton (Diamond T, Mack, or White) (for transport in rough terrain combat – no production)
Cargo Carrier, Fully-tracked, T33 (based on M24 Chaffee chassis – unsuccessful, but could have appeared as M7 High-speed Tractor)
Tractor, High-speed, 26-ton, M8 (based on M41 Walker Bulldog chassis – post-war production)
This was a Spahwagen design designed by Hans Trippel in 1941 and three models were produced. They were amphibious scout cars armed with a 20mm Luftwaffe cannon. Data obtained from WW2 In History in Color from the German section on Special armored types.
So, no large transport seems to have been in mind. These "turtles" were not proceeded with as by the time they were ready for production, priorities were needed elsewhere such as STUGs and Panthers.
Seems about the right size to hold all that fuel for the mice and cross rivers too! Is this a surreptitious attempt to get 1/285 scale ships - perhaps Bismarck on tracks next?
Thanks for the information. Its interesting that the Schildkrote's dimensions are almost identical to the P1000. Its possible that they were thinking of a 2 level vehicle (variant of the Ratte?), with the drive components and other gear on the bottom, and the cargo deck being on the top level. The cargo deck would be roughly 20 feet off the ground. Overall weight between the two should be about the same. (Rats, another project to do after I finish the starship )
The Turtle was to have been prominently used in the Mid-Canada Campaigns of 1947 and the Ratte was operational in 1948. These are make believe pieces for use in a wargame.
Sorry to have misled any one and next time I will check before writing.
Don't know . . . seeing how armored vehicles were modified on both sides during the war, it wouldn't surprise me that some one in the High Command would have proposed such a vehicle . Think I'll still give it a shot anyhow. If you find any information about the German Navy's proposal for the "R" series of mobile artillery platforms I'd appreciate it.
The 17cm gun on the above model is extremely good and I was wondering if the later releases of MAUS and E-100 tanks might have this barrel in the turret. It would seem that the turret used for this gun, even in the MAUS and E-100 would not be able to mount a 75mm/24 alongside. More MGs might be useful.
The MAUS and E-100 were to carried guns from 128mm, to 150mm and up to 17mm.
Just issue turrets and they can be interchanged between tank bodies. It certainly would be more economical for us.
If there are additional changes to either tank with any of the three calibers (including a fourth, the 88mm twin AA), then an entire new model would be needed.
I really like the Wehrmacht 47 line and have all issued so far.
Schwerepunkt
As best I can tell there are four figures in the Wermacht '47 series for the next year:
- M-19 self-propelled AA. This is a twin 40 mm Bofors mount on a modified M-24 chassis. I hope that this is the first of a long line of specialized vehicles based on this chassis: M-37 105 mm HMC, M-41 155 mm HMC, T77 multiple machine gun carriage, T9 and T13 utility vehicles, T22, T23, and T33 cargo carriers, T42 and T43 cargo tractors, T9 engineer vehicle, and T6E1 armored recovery vehicle. Some of these were built in significant numbers before the war ended and others were prototypes or only planned.
- Waffentrager I mit 3.7 cm FlaK 43. I don't know exactly what this vehicle is; there were several Waffentrager designs. It should be useful. (Probably German equivalent of M-19 concept)
- T-95 SP gun. This is one that most fans of hulking monster armor have been waiting for. This is the equivalent of the British Tortoise but even nastier looking in my opinion.
- Jagdpanzer E-50. I honestly think that this one is made up. I haven't seen any reliable reference to a Jagdpanzer E-50, but I did suggest the possibility in an earlier posting. I will be interested to see if this has the gun mounted in the front, like the Jagdpanther, or farther back with a mid-engine chassis, like the Eefant. Either way, it should be an excellent defensive vehicle.
. Where did you find it and is there any drawings of the beast?
