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a detail on painting of Italian Littorio class battleships. Possibly you already know it but I think it may be useful to you as I have seen many models painted with a wooden deck.
Actually only the stern deck (behind the last turret) was unpainted teak. Otherwise the decks were painted dark grey (grigio piombo = lead grey). The bow deck was painted with the typical red and white stripes,
Note that from the start of 1943 also the stern deck was painted dark grey. Moreover only the ROMA maintained the red and white stripes on the bow.
a detail on painting of Italian Littorio class battleships. Possibly you already know it but I think it may be useful to you as I have seen many models painted with a wooden deck.
Actually only the stern deck (behind the last turret) was unpainted teak. Otherwise the decks were painted dark grey (grigio piombo = lead grey). The bow deck was painted with the typical red and white stripes,
Note that from the start of 1943 also the stern deck was painted dark grey. Moreover only the ROMA maintained the red and white stripes on the bow.
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Does anyone have any recommendations on a panting/rigging/mounting service for these ships. I have several that need o be squared away. Please send me a PM (mmi80) Thanks Wayne
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I've looked through all 38 pages of this topic and yet I still have not found what I"m looking for. I got the colors written down for the Italians ships, but what colors for the British?
I have access to Tamiya and Model Master Acrylics.
I have access to Tamiya and Model Master Acrylics.
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What British ships are you painting and what year (approximately) are you going for. I can go through my camouflage books and give you a pretty good idea which model master paints will work and what schemes you can paint.dougeagle wrote:I've looked through all 38 pages of this topic and yet I still have not found what I"m looking for. I got the colors written down for the Italians ships, but what colors for the British?
I have access to Tamiya and Model Master Acrylics.
Helpful references:
Naval Camouflage 1914 - 1945 A complete visual reference - David Williams
Warship Perspectives - Camouflage Volume One thru Volume 4: Royal Navy - Alan Raven
I hope this helps.
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Around 1940 to 1941. I'm working on a small fleet of British and Italians for battles in the Mediterranean.battlewagon wrote:What British ships are you painting and what year (approximately) are you going for. I can go through my camouflage books and give you a pretty good idea which model master paints will work and what schemes you can paint.dougeagle wrote:I've looked through all 38 pages of this topic and yet I still have not found what I"m looking for. I got the colors written down for the Italians ships, but what colors for the British?
I have access to Tamiya and Model Master Acrylics.
Helpful references:
Naval Camouflage 1914 - 1945 A complete visual reference - David Williams
Warship Perspectives - Camouflage Volume One thru Volume 4: Royal Navy - Alan Raven
I hope this helps.
Doug
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dougeagle wrote:For the Mediterranean at that time, the Alexandria type of camouflage seems to be the most popular: Light hull and superstructure (507c) with dark stripes or patches (507a). Wood decks were either unpainted or painted dark gray. Early war British ships in the Med may have been painted light gray overall.battlewagon wrote:Around 1940 to 1941. I'm working on a small fleet of British and Italians for battles in the Mediterranean.dougeagle wrote:I've looked through all 38 pages of this topic and yet I still have not found what I"m looking for. I got the colors written down for the Italians ships, but what colors for the British?
I have access to Tamiya and Model Master Acrylics.
Here are the model master paints that look like the best matches for the colors you are looking for:
507a = Euro 1 Gray (very dark)
507b = Neutral Gray
507c = Camouflage Gray
Corticene decking = 50 / 50 mix of Rust and Military Brown
Dark gray (deck color) = Gunship Gray or Euro 1 Gray (I'd go gunship gray for a different hue than the 507a)
Unpainted decks = Wood
For the actual patterns of camouflage I would recommend the Volume 1 of the Alan Raven books referenced in my earlier post. Let me know if you need more specifics and I will see what I can do.
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Got the rules today in the mail. I've only browsed through them, but they do look rather nice indeed. I was also looking at the Java Sea battle scenario and I think that would be a fun one to do once I got the hang of the rules.
Aircraft. I was looking through this whole thread and I didn't really see any pics of aircraft. I was wondering about perhaps using a bit larger scale, using a single model to represent flights of aircraft rather than the smaller GHQ planes for that purpose. Just wondering from those of you on here if you have some pics of their flight stands. I won't be getting any planes anytime soon of coarse, still need to figure out the rules.
Aircraft. I was looking through this whole thread and I didn't really see any pics of aircraft. I was wondering about perhaps using a bit larger scale, using a single model to represent flights of aircraft rather than the smaller GHQ planes for that purpose. Just wondering from those of you on here if you have some pics of their flight stands. I won't be getting any planes anytime soon of coarse, still need to figure out the rules.

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You could probably get 1/700th scale aircraft without too much difficulty and they would be easy to paint and inexpensive. I was considering using the planes from the GHQ kits and mounting 3 or 4 to a square of clear plastic that can be mounted to a wire or clear plastic post that is attached to a base that could be labeled with squadron information.
I haven't gotten that far yet, but I believe I have seen a couple of examples in this forum somewhere. Good luck sorting out the rules, I usually try a one - on - one duel first to work out the game mechanics.
I haven't gotten that far yet, but I believe I have seen a couple of examples in this forum somewhere. Good luck sorting out the rules, I usually try a one - on - one duel first to work out the game mechanics.
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I went through this entire thread again and found these by Chris. Very nice looking planes and gives me a better perspective on the size as well. Eventually I may end up getting some. Now back to playtesting the rulescbovill wrote:
Chutai of Mitsubishi G3M Nell bombers
Shotai (flight) of Mitsubishi G3M Nell bombers
Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete floatplane used for spotting fall of shot
Aichi E13A1 Jake floatplane used for scouting
Kawanishi H6K Mavis seaplane used for long range recce and SAR
Kawanishi H6K Mavis seaplane
Kawanishi H8K Emily seaplane used for long range recce and SAR
Kawanishi H8K Emily seaplane
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Dougeagle.
Have you checked out the "Ship Camouflage website?" I don't remember the address at the moment, but I think you can access the website with the above title. Randy Short, who has the site, has been researching WWII camouflage patterns for years. His company, Snyder & Short, has accurate paint chip sets for WWII, WEM enamel model paints for British, French, German, Japanese, and U.S. fleets (WEM quit making the Italian paints a year or two ago), & lots of books. My interest is in camouflage, so I've obtained lots of stuff from him. (For that matter, since I retired I've been painting GHQ ships in a variety of patterns. Got a big collection & it's getting bigger all the time. Some day I'll try & set up some photos so everyone can see what I've done.)
Incidentally, Randy does not agree with those reports that Arizona was painted in sea blue. He tells me that the expert that recently (a few years ago?) publicized the Sea Blue BB has since publicly announced that there is no proof that any BB was sea blue. I don't have the details; if you want to pursue that issue you should contact him (see above).
Have you checked out the "Ship Camouflage website?" I don't remember the address at the moment, but I think you can access the website with the above title. Randy Short, who has the site, has been researching WWII camouflage patterns for years. His company, Snyder & Short, has accurate paint chip sets for WWII, WEM enamel model paints for British, French, German, Japanese, and U.S. fleets (WEM quit making the Italian paints a year or two ago), & lots of books. My interest is in camouflage, so I've obtained lots of stuff from him. (For that matter, since I retired I've been painting GHQ ships in a variety of patterns. Got a big collection & it's getting bigger all the time. Some day I'll try & set up some photos so everyone can see what I've done.)
Incidentally, Randy does not agree with those reports that Arizona was painted in sea blue. He tells me that the expert that recently (a few years ago?) publicized the Sea Blue BB has since publicly announced that there is no proof that any BB was sea blue. I don't have the details; if you want to pursue that issue you should contact him (see above).
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Question:
GHQ has produced the German WWI Emden class (GWG11). I notice in the 1970 Ian Allen book "German Warships of World War I," by John Taylor, that the earlier Stettin class has very similar dimensions and armament. Does anybody know if GHQ's Emdens are similar enough - at 2400 scale - to be used as Stettins? The Taylor book doesn't have any pictures of Stettins, so I can't compare the two classes.
GHQ has produced the German WWI Emden class (GWG11). I notice in the 1970 Ian Allen book "German Warships of World War I," by John Taylor, that the earlier Stettin class has very similar dimensions and armament. Does anybody know if GHQ's Emdens are similar enough - at 2400 scale - to be used as Stettins? The Taylor book doesn't have any pictures of Stettins, so I can't compare the two classes.
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From Conways, the Konigsbergs (Stettin) show shielding around the fore and aft 4.1", and a cut out in the side where the midships one is, neither of which are on the drawing of Emden. The forward superstructure on the Konigsberg drawing is larger than Emden, and the aft ones have a slightly different arrangement. Different enough to notice? If you know what you are looking for, probably. If you're not that fussy, probably not.
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GHQ's GWG11 is probably the best-quality representation of a Stettin available in 1/2400 scale. I don't have any photos of Stettin either; my evaluation is based on the line drawings in Erich Gröner's "German Warships 1815-1945, Volume One: Major Surface Vessels" and in "Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921."
I have purchased six of GWG11 and intend to use them for both Königsberg and Dresedn class (unless something better comes along for Königsberg).
As you have said, the armament is the same and the dimensions almost the same (Emden is about 3 feet longer, less than 1% difference). The arrangement of the armament and the major features are also the same. Both had three funnels.
Differences that I can see:
- The bridgework in Emden is slightly longer and the foremast is set farther back.
- Spacing of the funnels: In Emden the three funnels are equally spaced and there is a gap of about 25 feet between the back of the bridgework and the first funnel. In Stettin the first funnel is only about 7 ft back of the bridge, the spacing between the first funnel and the second is about the same as that between the funnels in Emden but there is a larger gap of about 40 ft between the seconed and third funnel. (The third funnel in both is in about the same position).
- The amid-ships gun mounts extend outboard slightly in the Stettin but seem to be flush with the sides in Emden (I am unsure of this, neither reference has a plan view of Emden, only an outboard view.)
I would also mention that Königsberg, nominally in the same class as Stettin, has a larger bridge than either Emden or Stettin and equal spacing between the funnels. Nürnberg and Stuttgart are essentially identical to Stettin.
Panzerschiffe makes 1/2400 resin models of Stettin and Emden in which the funnel spacing and bridge differences are correctly represented. The Panzerschiffe products I have purchased are accurate overall, but the detail definitely less than that of GHQ's products.
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I have purchased six of GWG11 and intend to use them for both Königsberg and Dresedn class (unless something better comes along for Königsberg).
As you have said, the armament is the same and the dimensions almost the same (Emden is about 3 feet longer, less than 1% difference). The arrangement of the armament and the major features are also the same. Both had three funnels.
Differences that I can see:
- The bridgework in Emden is slightly longer and the foremast is set farther back.
- Spacing of the funnels: In Emden the three funnels are equally spaced and there is a gap of about 25 feet between the back of the bridgework and the first funnel. In Stettin the first funnel is only about 7 ft back of the bridge, the spacing between the first funnel and the second is about the same as that between the funnels in Emden but there is a larger gap of about 40 ft between the seconed and third funnel. (The third funnel in both is in about the same position).
- The amid-ships gun mounts extend outboard slightly in the Stettin but seem to be flush with the sides in Emden (I am unsure of this, neither reference has a plan view of Emden, only an outboard view.)
I would also mention that Königsberg, nominally in the same class as Stettin, has a larger bridge than either Emden or Stettin and equal spacing between the funnels. Nürnberg and Stuttgart are essentially identical to Stettin.
Panzerschiffe makes 1/2400 resin models of Stettin and Emden in which the funnel spacing and bridge differences are correctly represented. The Panzerschiffe products I have purchased are accurate overall, but the detail definitely less than that of GHQ's products.
Don S.
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Thanks, Gentlemen. I need the three Stettins, 1 for the Falkland Is. battle & 2 for Jutland. The differences are small enough that I can't imagine that GHQ has this class at the top of their list. I'll have to take a look at the Nurnburg model & see how easy (or difficult) it would be to reset the funnels.
I've recently modified several of the WWII German Narvik class DDs to have only a single 5.9" gun on the bow. It was a simple conversion; remove the twin turret, install a 3/32 circular pad (thin plastic) in it's place, and insert a single 5.9" gun from a Scharnhorst model in place of th turret. It's not exact, but looks pretty good. The BC 5.9' gun is bigger than the ones on the DD itself, but that's not noticeable unless it is brought to one's attention. I've also modified a WWI Furious CV, as suggested by (I think) Donald Scheef to give me a BC with two 18" guns. Looks pretty good, although I probably put the funnel too close to the bridge.
I've recently modified several of the WWII German Narvik class DDs to have only a single 5.9" gun on the bow. It was a simple conversion; remove the twin turret, install a 3/32 circular pad (thin plastic) in it's place, and insert a single 5.9" gun from a Scharnhorst model in place of th turret. It's not exact, but looks pretty good. The BC 5.9' gun is bigger than the ones on the DD itself, but that's not noticeable unless it is brought to one's attention. I've also modified a WWI Furious CV, as suggested by (I think) Donald Scheef to give me a BC with two 18" guns. Looks pretty good, although I probably put the funnel too close to the bridge.