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re: Unfathomable question on Christmas sale

GHQ has had a Christmas sale for at least the past several years. Unfortunately for you, with a four- to five-week
delivery time, you probably will not be able to take advantage of it and git Christmas delivery. Last year, the sale
started 10 December and continued through 09 January. The sale was 15% off for sales over US$50, with the
appropriate code word (given by GHQ in the on-line announcement).

re: statement on "with baited breath"

I am fascinated by a literal interpretation of this phrase: with worms on my tongue.

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Haha! Surely you have heard about the cat who chewed some cheese, then sat by the mouse hole with baited breath?

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Actually, I had not heard of it it until I read your posting. Now I understand why my wife's cats don't like having their teeth cleaned.

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Donald M. Scheef wrote:re: statement on "with baited breath"

I am fascinated by a literal interpretation of this phrase: with worms on my tongue.

Don S.
I know you read that as baited breath but that is not what I wrote.

Bated breath
Part of Speech: n. Definition: the condition of waiting for something to happen; subdued breathing due to high emotions.
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Post by Unfathomable »

Wow, what great replies. Don't know about baited breath, but I do know that my wife likes baiting me in general.

As for the relative complexity or simplicity of rules, I'm not sure of which way to go. To please myself I'd like something as insanely detailed and immersive as possible, so I can wallow in as much "what if" pseudo-reality as my geeky heart desires. But I'll have to convince non-nerd mates, or friends still in the closet as geek men, to play and give it a go, in order to have an opponent. And for them the simpler and the more fun the better. When I ran the idea of gaming past one mate he asked me if it would be like the time we stole Gavin's big bother's big 1/350 scale Bismarck, floated it out onto the creek, and simulated a naval battle by shooting at it with a .22 until it sank as we made spirited though inaccurate explosion noises with our mouths. When I said that, no, it might not be exactly like that he lost interest. Someone else I cornered claimed that they needed to stay home to wash their arms."I'd love to come," he said. "But these arms won't wash themselves!" So perhaps a compromise in complexity would be for the best.

The other thing that may have put them off was my insisting that they read Gordon's "The Rules of the Game," not to mention "Dreadnought" and "Castles of Steel" first, in order to get into the proper "spirit", the combined weight of these books being estimated by science to be the nearest human equivalent to a planet-bound Neutron Star, French Avante Garde cinema, or something else really heavy, distant and cold.

In short I don't think I have to worry overly about turning by display-only models into gaming pieces just yet, though I'm still curious. More later, I better, um, do some work. Or something. Perhaps I'll just wash my arms.
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Donald M. Scheef wrote:Now I understand why my wife's cats don't like having their teeth cleaned.

Don S.
Watching my wife with her cats I have come to learn that cats determine what they feel is in their best interest and are not the least bit interested in, or cooperative with, anything some human comes up with without consulting them first. However, I have come to learn that they are rather smart, ingenious, individualistic and never cease to surprise me. So I guess she wins with having brought them in all those years ago. And yes, she does gloat now and then!!
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Post by Hagen »

Being an old tread head I never gave naval wargaming much thought, but after seeing some of the outstanding work in this thread I just may have to re-think my position. :) Some really nice work all around!
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Post by WWIICentral »

Hagen,

A year ago, I would have echo'd your statement... but then I read a few books by James Hornfischer and Ian Toll this year. It changed my perspective.

Read some of good Naval Warfare books and that will help with your "position" very quickly :D

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WWIICentral wrote:Hagen,

A year ago, I would have echo'd your statement... but then I read a few books by James Hornfischer and Ian Toll this year. It changed my perspective.

Read some of good Naval Warfare books and that will help with your "position" very quickly :D

Tanner
I may just do that! :D
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Post by Mikee »

Unfathomable,

Regarding mismatched superstructure parts; I've generally just contacted GHQ for replacement parts - never had a problem getting replacements, & I don't think I've ever had to send them the damaged parts. (Although I have on a few occasions, when the hull itself was damaged.) You're pretty far away, so response time would be a problem. If I remember right, I think I've e-mailed them on occasion, which might speed things up for you.

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I was reading a thread about GHQ's Napoleonic naval models at TMP.

In it I was informed that the sails are attached to a mast. I was quite surprised by this. Granted I haven't ordered a Napoleonic naval model in more than a decade... make that two decades but, back then, the sails came separate from the mast. As I recall several brass rods were supplied for the sails to be glued. Also, I believe, the sail sets, main mast etc, came as one piece but without being attached to a mast.

So is this now the case? The sails come as single mast units including a pewter mast?
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As for the relative complexity or simplicity of rules, I'm not sure of which way to go. To please myself I'd like something as insanely detailed and immersive as possible, so I can wallow in as much "what if" pseudo-reality as my geeky heart desires. But I'll have to convince non-nerd mates, or friends still in the closet as geek men, to play and give it a go, in order to have an opponent. And for them the simpler and the more fun the better. When I ran the idea of gaming past one mate he asked me if it would be like the time we stole Gavin's big bother's big 1/350 scale Bismarck, floated it out onto the creek, and simulated a naval battle by shooting at it with a .22 until it sank as we made spirited though inaccurate explosion noises with our mouths. When I said that, no, it might not be exactly like that he lost interest. Someone else I cornered claimed that they needed to stay home to wash their arms."I'd love to come," he said. "But these arms won't wash themselves!" So perhaps a compromise in complexity would be for the best.
For rules in the time period I would suggest Seekrieg 5. The game is called complicated by many gamers but the way that they present it and the ship forms make it quite easy. With experienced players it moves pretty quick.

My back up is the command at sea series. Fear God and Dreadnaught covers the time period you are interested in and is the same system as Command at Sea and Harpoon. This means you can launch harpoon missiles against WW1 Dreadnaughts. Not sure why you would want to but you can. It is a little less detailed but still gives accurate results.

I quit naval gaming because I could not find opponents that were well researched or understood how to use their fleets.
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My Chinese carrier is finally here! First impression is that the model is very impressive.
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av8rmongo wrote:My Chinese carrier is finally here! First impression is that the model is very impressive.
Looking forward to seeing pictures of your PLAN fleet!
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Great video! No matter what the differences a navy is a navy is a navy and carrier ops are still carrier ops. They're doing it just like we (USN) do it at least from the little snippet available here.
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