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Nazgul
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More "Shake and Bake" buildings. This time either offices or apartments. Still into the red brick, but with some variation. I did not attach the sides so they could be mixed and matched.

Since I was going for a factory I made a loading dock to be used alone or attached to another building.
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Decided to try a sawtooth roof. Haven't assembled yet (hands too shaky from illness), but I think there is enough shingled roof. On the wall (second from the bottom on the right) I already attached the windows for the roof.
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This is building had attached elevators outside the main wall. The 2 sections in the lower right should be folded wide enough to cover a pair of windows on the main wall and then attached. I tried to keep it consistent so they could also be used on other buildings.
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Have fun :)

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Here's the last buildings. For the "elevators" I used a 10 x 10 mm piece of mattboard at the top, bottom, and middle to keep the shape. The loading dock turned out better than I could hope for.

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I like this look and may continue to use it.

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Im working in a boat, for my Republic of Aztlan. The purpose of this ship is to disrupt the sea routes of drug smugglers and weapon smugglers funding the Insurgency. Im thinking of making more ships. more precise on the angles

=its made out of carton, and paper and the control cabin; out of construction bricks for kids=

I put a sea camo on the boat, its armed with [2] stinger launchers, [2] .50 cal emplpacements and a 20mm front gun.

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the comparison pic is blurry sorry guys
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Post by AllenRockwell »

The board looks amazing Nazgul. You are doing a great job.
Nazgul wrote: ... I want to detail more, but as a man said on a gaming site about making such boards "Do you want something to game with or are you making a diorama?"...
Why not both? ... A game board that looks like a diorama.

Whatever makes you happy.... some people are totally happy with a few bushes and bits of felt thrown down on the table ... others like a game board that looks like a museum piece, that's what's so great about this hobby, you can take it as far as you want or keep it as simple as you like.
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Post by John Secker »

The problem is that beautiful diorama-quality terrain is not very practical for most wargames, except the very smallest skirmish level, because of the scale issue. That beautifully crafted palace or factory is actually a mile across, on the ground scale, even a small cottage is several hundred yards long. Yes, we all know that it represents a built up area, but that means our models need to be able to move around inside that area along the imaginary internal roads and alleys. The same with woods, fields and so on. That wonderful model field of crops, surrounded by bocage, is really a square mile of terrain, containing fields, lanes, hedges and so on. So you wind up balancing models on top of your woods, towns etc, or take them off the table and note their position.
The solution I use is painted areas to represent these terrain types, with some model trees, buildings or whatever scattered around to represent the reality - but those will be moved if a model needs to be placed there, they are just symbolic. You can make these nice little vignettes, but the overall look is very far from a landscape diorama - but it is much more practical to play a wargame over.

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The great thing about this hobby is that there are about as many different ways to scale a game as there are players. You didn't mention the scale you play in, but I imagine it is a company or battalion to a piece or unit. I like your idea about using a painted area with an occasional model on it and might use it some day, thanks.

I was teethed back in the 70s on Tractics, Panzer Warfare, and Giac My. Mainly skirmish games that we modified the unit scale to 1:1 and the ranges of the weapons to 1/72nd scale, and later 1/285th after we discovered GHQ. Later we got our hands on "The Book of MARS" by FASA and things really got messy. We did play some company level games, but those were mostly from SSI or AH. Maybe its the player/collector in me (or is it collector/player?) that enjoys having scenery that both serves eye candy and as obstacles to the units on the board. I agree with you about how such scenery can be detrimental to a large scale game, but for skirmishers like me it works. (I once considered adding detailed interiors to the buildings, but the "Baseball Bat of Logic and Reason" brought me to my senses :wink: )


Now if you want to talk about scaling a game . . . I remember reading in the late 70s or early 80s (in Wargamer's Digest?) about a group in Japan that skirmished in 1/35th scale, both infantry and tanks. They use 4' x 8' sheets of plywood mounted on rolling tables for the terrain. The picture looked like about 5 x 4 tables (20 x 32 feet) which they separated to move the figures/tanks and check line of sight. We didn't have laser pointers back then so it was eyeball in the old railroad turf :). Looked like fun, but I imagine the game took days to play due to moving the tables all the time.

Interesting side note: Panzer Warfare, published in 1975, has a listing for the Maus tank for both the 150mm and 128mm main guns, with a 76/L31 as a coaxial gun. (Along with pictures of GHQ micro armor from Wargamer's Digest :D )

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Wargamers digest and others were awsome,even in B&W. The articles on battles and the grid Maps,TO&Es and wargaming units. War Monthly for color illustraitions and articles. I know I will never forget them .
Remember the state by state listing of hobby shops and the personal adds in the Back of WD so every time you PCSed you find a shop and gamers to play with. Those were the days even tho the hobby has gotten better in many ways I trully miss the great mags of the 70s and 80s.....Mikey
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Post by 6mmwargaming »

I never heard of Wargamer digest but it sounds very good (must google it). I started on WRG and the Bruce Rea-Taylor digests and the TTG Battlezone books were great inspiration in the pre-internet days, along with Military Modelling mags which had ads for H&R etc in them.

I tend to make diorama pieces just for the look and growing up on 1 to 1 scale games. I struggle with pictures of terrain for microarmour where the ground scale is much smaller and a small base is a town (for example).

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Big K
your stuff is like fine Art that you can play on....I remember well Bruce he was the guy for army lists and TO&E as well , You also made me think of what could have possibly been the finest rule set ever made GHQs very own "TAC FORCE" if only they had developed it further to include Infantry , FIBUA and air to air....Mikey
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Post by Whish »

Hello Nazgul. i love the buildings that you are producing. I only game WW2 so unfortunately can not use them though have made a lot of paper terrain for my GHQ games. I was doing a bit of a look around the net recently and found a game called Dropzone Commander which is a 10mm Sci Fi game. The starter set comes with a lot of card buildings that you might find interesting. They are also available to download free and print out yourself.

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Glad you like them and thanks for the information. I've downloaded their buildings and though I don't do 10mm, I thought they were cool.

I'm trying to stay in the 50s to 80ish range in the States. I looked at a lot of papercraft sites and didn't find what I wanted, and didn't really see any made. I don't want to post anything that might take sales away from anyone who might have those buildings for sale (we all have families to feed :) ).

I'm working on a few new buildings, but have found them to have a larger and larger foot print so I'm going to scale the next ones back (one has a 128 x 173mm base, just a bit too big :(). The nice thing about these buildings is that you can shorten or extend them as you want.

I'm going to eventually do a sectional strip-mall, smaller buildings, and then turn to houses and barns (Wolverines!).

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I've just got the DropZone cityscape set and it's quite impressive.

Although for 10mm scale you could use the city blocks for 6mm as is, but they're a bit big.

The good thing is that they've made available a lot of the buildings as print-your-own pdfs on their website. Some of the buildings are meant to be printed on A3 paper for 10mm, but if you print them on A4 they are a perfect fit for 6mm.

So the glue's just drying on a 5 storey residential block. I'm not sure I'm going to make all the balcony's for each room though.

For the city blocks I might scan them and reprint them at 50% size, ie 6" square. That should be a better fit for 6mm.

DZ also have print-your-own roads and intersections available as well. Well worth a look.

I'm trying to get some German 1985 city blocks together. Should be good.

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I looked at the Drop Zone buildings I had downloaded and messed with Acrobat. There is a round about way to resize the PDF (I thought the old Reader allowed this, looks like the newer ones don't) and I printed at 60%. Here's what I got. I really like it and may do more later. If anyone knows of any PDF reader that allows resizing please let me know.

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I Googled the net for pictures of the 60s - 70s and decided to make a few newer buildings and city blocks. After experimenting I finally settled on some white window frames I liked and those are used on the first building in the second picture. The other red brick window were replaced with this frame so please ignore the windows in the other buildings. The last building in the last picture is a factory extension and only has 3 walls, no doors. I've done enough red brick and will probably make 1 or 2 more sheets with some newer types. (as usual, sorry for the picture quality :( )

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Still in JPEG. I'm leaving the inside rim of the building top separate, sorry, I know its a little trouble, but I've had trouble making long, small folds (even with scoring the fold) and this works best for me. I haven't made any roof patterns as I'm using mat board. Its saving me a ton of ink and adds to the rigidity of the building.

More to come later.

Cris

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Post by Whish »

I might have a go at a some of the darker brick buildings. They should work for 1940's European industrial buildings.

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Nazgul wrote: If anyone knows of any PDF reader that allows resizing please let me know.
Cris
Cris,

In Acrobat when you get to the print dialog, click on the "Page Setup" button and then you can enter the scale as a percent of the full size.

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