Show me your Leopards and M60A3s.
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Show Me Your Leopards and M60A3s
Yes, not too much rust on the tracks unless the tanks have been sitting in the motor pool for a long time without moving.
For my tracks, I use "Polished Steel" by Humbrol for the end connectors and raised parts of the track pads for those tanks that have them in steel. American tanks usually have rubber pads so I would go with a dark gray on those.
Tanks usually don't have large patches of rust on them, at least the ones I have seen. The areas where the paint is worn off are generally areas that the crew is climbing on and so don't accumulate much rust.
I had a tank platoon in Korea, was a company XO at Ft. Carson and had a tank company in Germany - C Company, 2/33 Armor in 3AD. I have been around various versions of the M60 throughout my career.
By the way, our tanks and the other vehicles in 3AD did not have the light tan color on them when I was there from 1981-85.
Pete
For my tracks, I use "Polished Steel" by Humbrol for the end connectors and raised parts of the track pads for those tanks that have them in steel. American tanks usually have rubber pads so I would go with a dark gray on those.
Tanks usually don't have large patches of rust on them, at least the ones I have seen. The areas where the paint is worn off are generally areas that the crew is climbing on and so don't accumulate much rust.
I had a tank platoon in Korea, was a company XO at Ft. Carson and had a tank company in Germany - C Company, 2/33 Armor in 3AD. I have been around various versions of the M60 throughout my career.
By the way, our tanks and the other vehicles in 3AD did not have the light tan color on them when I was there from 1981-85.
Pete
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pmskaar/panzergator,
Let me start off by saying thanks for more detailed data on the real life vehicles and tips. I will certainly spend some time reviewing it in more detail and incorporating things into my models. I especially appreciate your first hand knowledge that you guys, and Cavdog, provide on this site. Love it and thank you for your service.
With that said, I have some questions and comments.
I have gone back and forth with the use of black on the wheels and tracks. My first thought and approach was to make some freshly overhauled and painted vehicles. I saw some vehicles with black treads and desert paint and liked the appearance. So I have a few of those. Then I started adding rust to my treads and know they need to be weathered a litltle better. I appreciate the tips and suggestions and will use a few. Plus, it probably does not make sense to have warn treads with rust and steel showing and not have weathered tires.
panzergator,
I like the info on the water cans, I may go back and paint them black. As for the mantle cover, I thought that was what the model had actually modeled into it. Do you agree, or am I in error and does mine look close? So I painted it green based on some 1/35 scale models I saw on line.. Knowing that there is probably some creative liberties taken. I like to paint in some storage stuff a different color, to make it look like the vehicle got painted and some gear is left over from the previous paint job. I saw this at the local national guard unit, that had supply trucks with dessert tan chassy along with green tarps, and some pictures of tanks on line that had similar stuff.
I also had a question about the exhuast grills. I have seen some tanks with them painted black. Is that the exception or the rule? Mostly saw this on the desert paint scheme. I think when I add a wash it will make the grills look better and more close to in service.
pmskaar,
The light tan color was my attempt to match the marine vehicles that fought in desert storm. I have seen some pictures on internet that show a few vehicles that were painted in this overall color and I feel I saw a few when I watched the news in the first gulf war. Let me know if I am mistaken. I do plan on going back and doing some MERDC camo M60s later.
Well, thanks again for everything, my models will be better for it.
Let me start off by saying thanks for more detailed data on the real life vehicles and tips. I will certainly spend some time reviewing it in more detail and incorporating things into my models. I especially appreciate your first hand knowledge that you guys, and Cavdog, provide on this site. Love it and thank you for your service.
With that said, I have some questions and comments.
I have gone back and forth with the use of black on the wheels and tracks. My first thought and approach was to make some freshly overhauled and painted vehicles. I saw some vehicles with black treads and desert paint and liked the appearance. So I have a few of those. Then I started adding rust to my treads and know they need to be weathered a litltle better. I appreciate the tips and suggestions and will use a few. Plus, it probably does not make sense to have warn treads with rust and steel showing and not have weathered tires.
panzergator,
I like the info on the water cans, I may go back and paint them black. As for the mantle cover, I thought that was what the model had actually modeled into it. Do you agree, or am I in error and does mine look close? So I painted it green based on some 1/35 scale models I saw on line.. Knowing that there is probably some creative liberties taken. I like to paint in some storage stuff a different color, to make it look like the vehicle got painted and some gear is left over from the previous paint job. I saw this at the local national guard unit, that had supply trucks with dessert tan chassy along with green tarps, and some pictures of tanks on line that had similar stuff.
I also had a question about the exhuast grills. I have seen some tanks with them painted black. Is that the exception or the rule? Mostly saw this on the desert paint scheme. I think when I add a wash it will make the grills look better and more close to in service.
pmskaar,
The light tan color was my attempt to match the marine vehicles that fought in desert storm. I have seen some pictures on internet that show a few vehicles that were painted in this overall color and I feel I saw a few when I watched the news in the first gulf war. Let me know if I am mistaken. I do plan on going back and doing some MERDC camo M60s later.
Well, thanks again for everything, my models will be better for it.
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Hoth_902,
I haven't seen the grill work painted black. That's staining from exhaust residue. It looked like that on our tanks in 4-37 Armor at Fort Knox when the tanks were all OG, and all other camo patterns. It's more a single blast from an air brush on each door in the middle of the grill.
You are correct regarding the mantlet cover on the M85. It is molded into the cupola and should be painted the same color as the main gun mantlet cover. Curiously, it is molded on all the GHQ models, but the Brand-X cupolas do not have it.
I haven't looked at the tracks. I think GHQ hulls depict the T-97 track with chevrons, but we got the T-142 track in '77 to go with the new paint. The latter had the lozenge-shaped removable pads. The T-142 was heavier than the T-97. On a vehicle as small as 1/285, I wouldn't think you could see the spaces between end connectors. I just use a dull metal color on the metal parts of the track and it all gets dirty, anyway. I use a couple real end connectors and a center guide as paperweights on my desk. They do now have a rusty patina. And you don't want to drop one on your toe.
Adding equipment to the tanks is great. I don't do it because mine are just intended to sit in the motor pool. You can use modeling clay and I think there is some equipment you can buy, either from GHQ or Brand-X, maybe in the WWII US section, and some 1/300 stuff from overseas. In Gulf I, there was a lot of mixing, as not all units got complete issue of TA-50 or whatever it was called by then, in the desert scheme. There was a lot of OD stuff intended for other climates in use. Personal gear in use also could be a different color. Besides, it adds visual interest. Usually, by the time I get through painting, I don't have the patience to add that kind of detail. At the moment, I am struggling with a decision to spend the money to buy M-47 turrets so I can take off the bustle boxes. Our 3-32 Armor M60A1(RISE)(AOS) had them welded on the bustle racks. I HEARD they scrounged them from 1-32 Armor when that unit turned their A1s in to get the A2s, or perhaps both battalions scrounged them. I recently read the M47 did not serve with US units in Germany (anybody know for sure?) Both the Germans and the Belgians had M47s at some point. I don't think the boxes would have survived in US service all through M48s and straight M60s, so the German M47s are the likely source. Pics of President Kennedy's visit in 60-61, when Donn Starry commanded 1-32AR and the unit was equipped with the first M60s, don't show the boxes. Of course, if they had them, they may have removed them for the President's visit. It's likely the boxes were picked up when the Germans turned in their M-47s for M48s.
While you may be a (CENSORED) engineer, and I am obsessive compulsive about getting things accurate and era-sensitive, I think a little creative license is kinda fun. Besides, if you look through a lot of pics, you can see some really great ideas. !-32 Armor searchlight covers were painted black and featured a skull and crossbones with the word "BANDITS" stenciled on. 3-32 Armor searchlight covers had a yellow triangle and a red stroke of lightning in a gray mailed glove and the words "Iron Dukes" on them. Those went away when we lost the AN-VSS 2 and got the smaller box searchlight, but the GHQ A1 now features the VSS-2, so if your eyes are good... 33rd Armor battalions featured the green shield from their distinctive insignia. Examples are on the internet. An interesting feature might be those wooden or metal panels with the geometrical symbols on them denoting company, platoon, and tank used in the '80s.
I am extending creative license in other ways. For instance, the Army never had the M103A2 heavy tank, however I will have an Army heavy tank battalion (2-33 Armor)equipped with M103A2s. I will probably take some liberties with the markings, too. I am not going to add the hull bustle on my M60A2s. I don't think I'll worry about the Rotating Amber Warning Lights on the tanks, which were required after a series of accidents on the highways, particularly during REFORGER. When I was with 1-32AR, we umpired an 2nd ACR tank company on REFORGER '75. One night, we heard one of our fellow officers on the same radio net call for assistance and medics. A car full of Germans going home from a party slid under a stopped Sheridan. They all survived and continued to the party off in the grass, broken arms and legs and all, while they waited for the medics. Fifteen minutes later, the same guy called again. There was another car under another Sheridan, same party going. Two years later, we had 8 killed during one exercise in various accidents, both GIs and Germans, and folks really got serious about warning lights. It was a particular problem with the MERDC, because it didn't reflect any light.
You might look on AMAZON for some of the more reasonable picture books on different tanks. Verlinden and Squadron have both published pamphlets on the M60 series. I have the Hunnicutt book on the M48-M60 series and the one on heavy tanks.. I actually ran into Hunnicutt at Fort Jackson one day - we found ourselves both admiring the same heavy tank at the museum there. He was there for research on his "Firepower" book. The Hunnicutt books are a bit ridiculous in price. There were a lot of paperback magazine-style books being published beginning the early 80s and I bought a lot of 'em because I had some time to build model tanks. Then our first boy came along and all that time disappeared, but I still have the books, which helps jog the memory.
pmskar, it's nice to see you confirm my memory that we didn't have the light tan color in 3AD for MERDC. At this point in my life, I'm not always sure, and thought maybe other units got the paint, but we didn't. I have seen some light tan on mech vehicles.
I haven't seen the grill work painted black. That's staining from exhaust residue. It looked like that on our tanks in 4-37 Armor at Fort Knox when the tanks were all OG, and all other camo patterns. It's more a single blast from an air brush on each door in the middle of the grill.
You are correct regarding the mantlet cover on the M85. It is molded into the cupola and should be painted the same color as the main gun mantlet cover. Curiously, it is molded on all the GHQ models, but the Brand-X cupolas do not have it.
I haven't looked at the tracks. I think GHQ hulls depict the T-97 track with chevrons, but we got the T-142 track in '77 to go with the new paint. The latter had the lozenge-shaped removable pads. The T-142 was heavier than the T-97. On a vehicle as small as 1/285, I wouldn't think you could see the spaces between end connectors. I just use a dull metal color on the metal parts of the track and it all gets dirty, anyway. I use a couple real end connectors and a center guide as paperweights on my desk. They do now have a rusty patina. And you don't want to drop one on your toe.
Adding equipment to the tanks is great. I don't do it because mine are just intended to sit in the motor pool. You can use modeling clay and I think there is some equipment you can buy, either from GHQ or Brand-X, maybe in the WWII US section, and some 1/300 stuff from overseas. In Gulf I, there was a lot of mixing, as not all units got complete issue of TA-50 or whatever it was called by then, in the desert scheme. There was a lot of OD stuff intended for other climates in use. Personal gear in use also could be a different color. Besides, it adds visual interest. Usually, by the time I get through painting, I don't have the patience to add that kind of detail. At the moment, I am struggling with a decision to spend the money to buy M-47 turrets so I can take off the bustle boxes. Our 3-32 Armor M60A1(RISE)(AOS) had them welded on the bustle racks. I HEARD they scrounged them from 1-32 Armor when that unit turned their A1s in to get the A2s, or perhaps both battalions scrounged them. I recently read the M47 did not serve with US units in Germany (anybody know for sure?) Both the Germans and the Belgians had M47s at some point. I don't think the boxes would have survived in US service all through M48s and straight M60s, so the German M47s are the likely source. Pics of President Kennedy's visit in 60-61, when Donn Starry commanded 1-32AR and the unit was equipped with the first M60s, don't show the boxes. Of course, if they had them, they may have removed them for the President's visit. It's likely the boxes were picked up when the Germans turned in their M-47s for M48s.
While you may be a (CENSORED) engineer, and I am obsessive compulsive about getting things accurate and era-sensitive, I think a little creative license is kinda fun. Besides, if you look through a lot of pics, you can see some really great ideas. !-32 Armor searchlight covers were painted black and featured a skull and crossbones with the word "BANDITS" stenciled on. 3-32 Armor searchlight covers had a yellow triangle and a red stroke of lightning in a gray mailed glove and the words "Iron Dukes" on them. Those went away when we lost the AN-VSS 2 and got the smaller box searchlight, but the GHQ A1 now features the VSS-2, so if your eyes are good... 33rd Armor battalions featured the green shield from their distinctive insignia. Examples are on the internet. An interesting feature might be those wooden or metal panels with the geometrical symbols on them denoting company, platoon, and tank used in the '80s.
I am extending creative license in other ways. For instance, the Army never had the M103A2 heavy tank, however I will have an Army heavy tank battalion (2-33 Armor)equipped with M103A2s. I will probably take some liberties with the markings, too. I am not going to add the hull bustle on my M60A2s. I don't think I'll worry about the Rotating Amber Warning Lights on the tanks, which were required after a series of accidents on the highways, particularly during REFORGER. When I was with 1-32AR, we umpired an 2nd ACR tank company on REFORGER '75. One night, we heard one of our fellow officers on the same radio net call for assistance and medics. A car full of Germans going home from a party slid under a stopped Sheridan. They all survived and continued to the party off in the grass, broken arms and legs and all, while they waited for the medics. Fifteen minutes later, the same guy called again. There was another car under another Sheridan, same party going. Two years later, we had 8 killed during one exercise in various accidents, both GIs and Germans, and folks really got serious about warning lights. It was a particular problem with the MERDC, because it didn't reflect any light.
You might look on AMAZON for some of the more reasonable picture books on different tanks. Verlinden and Squadron have both published pamphlets on the M60 series. I have the Hunnicutt book on the M48-M60 series and the one on heavy tanks.. I actually ran into Hunnicutt at Fort Jackson one day - we found ourselves both admiring the same heavy tank at the museum there. He was there for research on his "Firepower" book. The Hunnicutt books are a bit ridiculous in price. There were a lot of paperback magazine-style books being published beginning the early 80s and I bought a lot of 'em because I had some time to build model tanks. Then our first boy came along and all that time disappeared, but I still have the books, which helps jog the memory.
pmskar, it's nice to see you confirm my memory that we didn't have the light tan color in 3AD for MERDC. At this point in my life, I'm not always sure, and thought maybe other units got the paint, but we didn't. I have seen some light tan on mech vehicles.
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A point on painting camo schemes. You have to be careful about taking colors from some of the books. The printers don't always get to talk to the authors or see the actual photos, so the colors can come out quite different from reality. A shining example is the Squadron book on the M60. The A1 depicted on the front cover is really far off. The USAREUR camo is quite different than the shades depicted. The same can occur on other pages.
I will try to shut up now. Way too chatty.
I will try to shut up now. Way too chatty.
All blessings flow from a good mission statement.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
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Panzergator,
Don't stop, not sure what anyone else thinks, but I love all the first hand knowledge and suggestion. I do understand that book art work can be off from the original, so I try to use actual photos where ever possible. In addition, someone on this site pointed out, that even photo's can be off a little because of lighting and other photographic issues when the photo was taken. I am happy with close on the colors and scheme. Getting in the ball park is good and where ever possible that correct one is great.
With that said, I have another question about the M60. I am obsessed with mine plows. I love the look of them on tanks. My pride and joy is 4 M1s that I attached them too. Sadly GHQ does not have some for the other tanks in its motor pool. In my recent searches on line, I have seen M60s with two types of mine plows. One was a strait dozer blade, which appears to be on the older M60s and I have seen a couple of photos with them sporting one similar to the M1s (the one sold by GHQ currently). Have any of you seen this and if so, is it something the US had or is it something other countries have incorporated?
Thanks in advance.
Don't stop, not sure what anyone else thinks, but I love all the first hand knowledge and suggestion. I do understand that book art work can be off from the original, so I try to use actual photos where ever possible. In addition, someone on this site pointed out, that even photo's can be off a little because of lighting and other photographic issues when the photo was taken. I am happy with close on the colors and scheme. Getting in the ball park is good and where ever possible that correct one is great.
With that said, I have another question about the M60. I am obsessed with mine plows. I love the look of them on tanks. My pride and joy is 4 M1s that I attached them too. Sadly GHQ does not have some for the other tanks in its motor pool. In my recent searches on line, I have seen M60s with two types of mine plows. One was a strait dozer blade, which appears to be on the older M60s and I have seen a couple of photos with them sporting one similar to the M1s (the one sold by GHQ currently). Have any of you seen this and if so, is it something the US had or is it something other countries have incorporated?
Thanks in advance.
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Hoth_902,
In the M60 series, the blade tank was for scraping out firing positions. The basis of Issue was one per company, usually to the second tank in the headquarters section.
We started seeing mineplows and minerollers in the 80s. Knowing they were on the way, they were often simulated in exercises with various makeshift assemblies, some of which you can see in pics of tanks on exercise at Hohenfels. I've seen pics of M60s (usually Marine A1s with add-on reactive armor, in Gulf 1. My suggestion would be the Brand X Russian minerollers, which are as close as we can get, so far as I know. I don't know what the basis of issue was.
The blade kits were not always installed in the M60-series. It depended on the battalion. It is a bit of an investment, but I like using the CEV chassis (2 per pack, along with an AVLB) from GHQ and then I just swap out the turrets for a normal tank. If you buy two packs, you get the 3 you need for an H-series battalion, or the 4 you need for a J-series battalion, plus, the H-series battalion had two bridges in the combat support company. The combat support company of an H series tank battalion contained the scout platoon, mortar platoon, air defense platoon, and the 2 bridges. For the J series, the combat support company became the 4th tank company and the scouts, mortars, etc were moved to the headquarters company. The bridges were sent to the engineer battalion.
The reason to use the CEVs is that the blades required a lot of hydraulics and other external equipment. Since the CEV had the same stuff, the chassis looks great and accurate. Then, take the standard hull, put the CEV turret on it, and attach your Russian mine rollers, putting those in your engineer battalion. It may not be TO&E accurate, but you will be well-equipped.
Ball park is good enough. All those paint jobs weathered, so different shades developed. My M60A1s at Fort Polk not only had that lighter tropical scheme of greens and tans, but the sun really bleached them out, too. You can also disguise that "close enough" paint job with dust and mud. Even a moist look is ok. It might be raining, and, in the rain, tanks look WET!
Even scale is going to throw colors off. I've seen several comments in this forum advising folks that, in this scale, one should use a slightly lighter color for accuracy. Given the vagaries of the human condition, who can say how color is perceived? Remember what the Russian's say... " 'Perfect' is the enemy of 'good enough.' "
I'm happy to address any questions I can, always with the caveats that memory doesn't always serve me well and things were different in different units, particularly when one moved from "state-side" over to Korea or the "7th Imperial Army."
In the M60 series, the blade tank was for scraping out firing positions. The basis of Issue was one per company, usually to the second tank in the headquarters section.
We started seeing mineplows and minerollers in the 80s. Knowing they were on the way, they were often simulated in exercises with various makeshift assemblies, some of which you can see in pics of tanks on exercise at Hohenfels. I've seen pics of M60s (usually Marine A1s with add-on reactive armor, in Gulf 1. My suggestion would be the Brand X Russian minerollers, which are as close as we can get, so far as I know. I don't know what the basis of issue was.
The blade kits were not always installed in the M60-series. It depended on the battalion. It is a bit of an investment, but I like using the CEV chassis (2 per pack, along with an AVLB) from GHQ and then I just swap out the turrets for a normal tank. If you buy two packs, you get the 3 you need for an H-series battalion, or the 4 you need for a J-series battalion, plus, the H-series battalion had two bridges in the combat support company. The combat support company of an H series tank battalion contained the scout platoon, mortar platoon, air defense platoon, and the 2 bridges. For the J series, the combat support company became the 4th tank company and the scouts, mortars, etc were moved to the headquarters company. The bridges were sent to the engineer battalion.
The reason to use the CEVs is that the blades required a lot of hydraulics and other external equipment. Since the CEV had the same stuff, the chassis looks great and accurate. Then, take the standard hull, put the CEV turret on it, and attach your Russian mine rollers, putting those in your engineer battalion. It may not be TO&E accurate, but you will be well-equipped.
Ball park is good enough. All those paint jobs weathered, so different shades developed. My M60A1s at Fort Polk not only had that lighter tropical scheme of greens and tans, but the sun really bleached them out, too. You can also disguise that "close enough" paint job with dust and mud. Even a moist look is ok. It might be raining, and, in the rain, tanks look WET!
Even scale is going to throw colors off. I've seen several comments in this forum advising folks that, in this scale, one should use a slightly lighter color for accuracy. Given the vagaries of the human condition, who can say how color is perceived? Remember what the Russian's say... " 'Perfect' is the enemy of 'good enough.' "
I'm happy to address any questions I can, always with the caveats that memory doesn't always serve me well and things were different in different units, particularly when one moved from "state-side" over to Korea or the "7th Imperial Army."
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Oh, yeah, one more thing while we are on the subject of blades.
The blade at the front of the M88 is not intended to be a dozer. It is for bracing the vehicle when using the winch. Using the blade for dozing will likely disable it and result in a report of survey to recover the cost of repair from the individual responsible. I HAVE SEEN it done, but don't recommend it.
The blade at the front of the M88 is not intended to be a dozer. It is for bracing the vehicle when using the winch. Using the blade for dozing will likely disable it and result in a report of survey to recover the cost of repair from the individual responsible. I HAVE SEEN it done, but don't recommend it.
All blessings flow from a good mission statement.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
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"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
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Hoth_902,
Following up on M60 paint schemes, I just did a search for "paint schemes for M60 tank" and up popped a pic of the NATO three-color scheme. Thought you might be interested in having a look.
Following up on M60 paint schemes, I just did a search for "paint schemes for M60 tank" and up popped a pic of the NATO three-color scheme. Thought you might be interested in having a look.
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Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
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One follow on to the mine plow subject,
I found this pic that shows an M60 using a M1 Style mine plow.. Looks cool enough I might see if I can modify the GHQ one to fit the M60A3 with reactive armor. Even if it was limited use, it looks cool.
Sorry the picture is so large. Just copied the address from another site, not my picture. I found this and a few more pics by doing a search "M60 mine plow"
I found this pic that shows an M60 using a M1 Style mine plow.. Looks cool enough I might see if I can modify the GHQ one to fit the M60A3 with reactive armor. Even if it was limited use, it looks cool.
Sorry the picture is so large. Just copied the address from another site, not my picture. I found this and a few more pics by doing a search "M60 mine plow"
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Panzergator/Cama,
M60s are by far one of my favorite tanks. I was a teenager in the 80s and saw quite a few of them at Fort Dix New Jersey. I believe they were National Guard tanks. Hopefully I am not mistaken by the time frame.
One time I drove down a highway through the woods near the base and saw 4 of them on a big dirt road near dusk. They had deployed into one facing in four different directions. Think they were stopping for the night. I wanted to stop and gawk. LOL
I love the intimidation factor of the new mine plows. Really adds to the narrative of them being steel beast. I read a story or two about how the M1s would drop the plow and move forward toward an enemy trench. The smart Iraqi's bailed and the brave got buried. Had to be scary to see that coming at you.
Panzergator,
So I read alot about the Marines using M60A1s in the first gulf war, with and with out reactive armo bricks. However, to my untrained eyes they all look like M60A3s. I believe I read that the M60A1s got improvements. Is there a dramatic difference and if so, Could GHQ make and M60A1s from the Iraq war one day in the future?
Mech,
OMG, those Leo's look amazying. I love the color and I think you did an awesome job matching the paint scheme in the picture. Keep up the good work and post more. Please post what colors you used, both in pigment and brand. I may have to do at least a platoon of these guys.
GHQ,
You guys need to make more dozer blades and mine plows for tanks. In addition, accessories for the tanks would be awesome so that I can combat load my vehicles. I know I could make some on my own, but I fear I am not that good nor have the time. Please please please.
M60s are by far one of my favorite tanks. I was a teenager in the 80s and saw quite a few of them at Fort Dix New Jersey. I believe they were National Guard tanks. Hopefully I am not mistaken by the time frame.
One time I drove down a highway through the woods near the base and saw 4 of them on a big dirt road near dusk. They had deployed into one facing in four different directions. Think they were stopping for the night. I wanted to stop and gawk. LOLI love the intimidation factor of the new mine plows. Really adds to the narrative of them being steel beast. I read a story or two about how the M1s would drop the plow and move forward toward an enemy trench. The smart Iraqi's bailed and the brave got buried. Had to be scary to see that coming at you.
Panzergator,
So I read alot about the Marines using M60A1s in the first gulf war, with and with out reactive armo bricks. However, to my untrained eyes they all look like M60A3s. I believe I read that the M60A1s got improvements. Is there a dramatic difference and if so, Could GHQ make and M60A1s from the Iraq war one day in the future?
Mech,
OMG, those Leo's look amazying. I love the color and I think you did an awesome job matching the paint scheme in the picture. Keep up the good work and post more. Please post what colors you used, both in pigment and brand. I may have to do at least a platoon of these guys.
GHQ,
You guys need to make more dozer blades and mine plows for tanks. In addition, accessories for the tanks would be awesome so that I can combat load my vehicles. I know I could make some on my own, but I fear I am not that good nor have the time. Please please please.