I'd like to see the following:
Olifant Mk1A
Olifant Mk1B
TTD Mbt- proposed next MBT for SADF
Rooikat 76
Rooikat 105
Rooikat 120-proposed version, has different turret.
G6 Rhino SPG
G5 155mm artillery
SAMIL trucks
Buffel
Bateluer MRLS
Valkiri MRLS
Land Rover with Recoil Rifle (Wombat)
Dassault Mirage III
Dassault Mirage IV
Dassault Mirage 4000
IAI Kfir
Atlas/ Denel Cheetah
DH Vampire
Fouga Magister
Gloster Meteor
Super Frelon
Hawker Hunter FGA9
Nord Noratlas
Fiat G.91
Sub Saharan African Civilians
Cheers
Jeff
2019 - 2020 Wish List for Modern, '47, WWII Micro Armor
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Donald M. Scheef
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What If Naval Aircraft
I have made some modifications to MechCommander’s list of USN “what-if†aircraft. Most of the changes are additions. Then I applies the following limitations:
- The aircraft must have existed at least as a design proposal. No “back of the napkin†designs and no after-the-fact hypotheticals. For example, I have some beautiful illustrations of the Hughes XBTH-1 Hornet. Unfortunately, they are only photoshops of an XF-11 nacelle, shortened and with bubble canopy added.
- The aircraft must not have entered active service. For example, only a few of the Martin AM Mauler entered service, but they did serve at the squadron level for several years.
- I am not including aircraft that are very similar to contemporary aircraft that had significant careers. For example, the Brewster SB2A Buccaneer was similar to the Curtiss SB2C but not as good and later in development.
Since I came up with a larger number of aircraft, I am sub-dividing the content.
WWII USN “what if†dive bomber types:
- Curtiss XSB3C-1: improved SB2C Helldiver.
- Douglas XSB2D-1: 2-place scout bomber with power turrets top and bottom.
- Kaiser/Fleetwing XBK-1 and XBTK-1: promising attack types, but technical problems delayed production until Douglas Skyraider was already in service.
WWII USN “what-if torpedo bomber types:
- Consolidated TBY-2 Sea Wolf: judged superior to the Grumman TBF Avenger, but production delayed by prototype crash and overload at Consolidated factory.
- Curtiss XBTC-1: promising attack type, but end of war limited production opportunities and there were too many competitors.
- Curtiss XBT2C-1: see XBTC-1
- Douglas BTD-1 Destroyer: modification of the XSB2D-1 with second crewman and power turrets removed. This raised speed and allowed carrying a torpedo.
- Douglas XBTD-2: modification of the XSB2D with jet engine replacing second crewman and power turrets. Even faster than the BTD-1.
- Douglas XBT2D-1 Skypirate: massive and powerful aircraft, but late in the war the Navy was more interested in single-seat attack types.
- Grumman XTB3F-1: R2800 in the nose, jet in the tail. Post-war this became the AF Guardian without jet and with anti-submarine equipment.
WWII USN “what if†patrol types
- Boeing XPBB-1 Sea Ranger: a large twin-engine seaplane. The B-29 had priority for the engines, so only the prototype was completed. During flight testing, it was commonly referred to as the “Lone Ranger.â€
- Consolidated XP4Y Corregidor: a large twin-engine seaplane. Ordered into production, but the B-29 had priority for the engines, so the order was cancelled.
WWII USN “what-if†fighter types:
- Boeing XF8B-1 ‘Five-in-Oneâ€: Massive powerplant in very large airframe. Probably would have made a good attack type. Turbojet types made this too late as a fighter.
- Curtiss XF14C-2: This aircraft was powerful but too bulky and troublesome.
- Goodyear XF2G-2 “Super Corsairâ€: Vought Corsair with R-4360 engine and bubble canopy. Grumman F8F Bearcat developed at same time was favored by the Navy.
- Grumman XF5F-1 Skyrocket: Twin-engine, single-place fighter. Unlike most other aircraft in this list, this is an early-war type, first flying in 1940.
- Ryan FR-1 Fireball: small radial engine in nose + turbojet in tail. Almost ready as an anti-kamikaze interceptor when the war ended.
- Vought XF5U-1 “Flying Flapjackâ€: One of the greatest “what-if†aircraft. Almost unique aerodynamic shape.
Early Cold War USN “what-if†attack and patrol types:
- Douglas XA2D-1 Skyshark: enlarged AD Skyraider with turboprop engine. The powerplant never worked as well as planned.
- Martin P6M-2 Seamaster: turbojet flying boat.
- North American XA2J Super Savage: enlarged AJ Savage with turboprop engines. The powerplant never worked as well as planned.
Early Cold War USN “what-if†fighter types:
- Douglas XF5D Skylancer: an advanced version of the F4D Skyray, but the Navy selected the Chance-Vought F8U Crusader.
- Chance-Vought XF8U-3 Crusader III: an advanced version of the F8U Crusader. A better fighter than the McDonnell F4H Phantom II, the Navy preferred the multi-role capability of the F4H.
- Convair XFY Pogo: turboprop tail sitter. The problem of landing while facing upwards was never solved.
- Convair F2Y Seadart: only supersonic seaplane to ever fly. Too many technical problems and Navy had learned to operate supersonic aircraft from carriers.
- Grumman XF10F Jaguar: an early variable-geometry design. Although the swing-wing worked, there were too many other technical issues.
- Grumman G118 design (unofficially XF12F): about half-way between the XF8U-3 Crusader III and the F4H Phantom II.
- Lockheed XFV “Salmonâ€: turboprop tail sitter. The problem of landing while facing upwards was never solved.
- Ryan X-13 Vertijet: turbojet tail sitter. This did successfully take off and land on jet thrust but was a purely experimental type with no combat capability.
Don S.
I have made some modifications to MechCommander’s list of USN “what-if†aircraft. Most of the changes are additions. Then I applies the following limitations:
- The aircraft must have existed at least as a design proposal. No “back of the napkin†designs and no after-the-fact hypotheticals. For example, I have some beautiful illustrations of the Hughes XBTH-1 Hornet. Unfortunately, they are only photoshops of an XF-11 nacelle, shortened and with bubble canopy added.
- The aircraft must not have entered active service. For example, only a few of the Martin AM Mauler entered service, but they did serve at the squadron level for several years.
- I am not including aircraft that are very similar to contemporary aircraft that had significant careers. For example, the Brewster SB2A Buccaneer was similar to the Curtiss SB2C but not as good and later in development.
Since I came up with a larger number of aircraft, I am sub-dividing the content.
WWII USN “what if†dive bomber types:
- Curtiss XSB3C-1: improved SB2C Helldiver.
- Douglas XSB2D-1: 2-place scout bomber with power turrets top and bottom.
- Kaiser/Fleetwing XBK-1 and XBTK-1: promising attack types, but technical problems delayed production until Douglas Skyraider was already in service.
WWII USN “what-if torpedo bomber types:
- Consolidated TBY-2 Sea Wolf: judged superior to the Grumman TBF Avenger, but production delayed by prototype crash and overload at Consolidated factory.
- Curtiss XBTC-1: promising attack type, but end of war limited production opportunities and there were too many competitors.
- Curtiss XBT2C-1: see XBTC-1
- Douglas BTD-1 Destroyer: modification of the XSB2D-1 with second crewman and power turrets removed. This raised speed and allowed carrying a torpedo.
- Douglas XBTD-2: modification of the XSB2D with jet engine replacing second crewman and power turrets. Even faster than the BTD-1.
- Douglas XBT2D-1 Skypirate: massive and powerful aircraft, but late in the war the Navy was more interested in single-seat attack types.
- Grumman XTB3F-1: R2800 in the nose, jet in the tail. Post-war this became the AF Guardian without jet and with anti-submarine equipment.
WWII USN “what if†patrol types
- Boeing XPBB-1 Sea Ranger: a large twin-engine seaplane. The B-29 had priority for the engines, so only the prototype was completed. During flight testing, it was commonly referred to as the “Lone Ranger.â€
- Consolidated XP4Y Corregidor: a large twin-engine seaplane. Ordered into production, but the B-29 had priority for the engines, so the order was cancelled.
WWII USN “what-if†fighter types:
- Boeing XF8B-1 ‘Five-in-Oneâ€: Massive powerplant in very large airframe. Probably would have made a good attack type. Turbojet types made this too late as a fighter.
- Curtiss XF14C-2: This aircraft was powerful but too bulky and troublesome.
- Goodyear XF2G-2 “Super Corsairâ€: Vought Corsair with R-4360 engine and bubble canopy. Grumman F8F Bearcat developed at same time was favored by the Navy.
- Grumman XF5F-1 Skyrocket: Twin-engine, single-place fighter. Unlike most other aircraft in this list, this is an early-war type, first flying in 1940.
- Ryan FR-1 Fireball: small radial engine in nose + turbojet in tail. Almost ready as an anti-kamikaze interceptor when the war ended.
- Vought XF5U-1 “Flying Flapjackâ€: One of the greatest “what-if†aircraft. Almost unique aerodynamic shape.
Early Cold War USN “what-if†attack and patrol types:
- Douglas XA2D-1 Skyshark: enlarged AD Skyraider with turboprop engine. The powerplant never worked as well as planned.
- Martin P6M-2 Seamaster: turbojet flying boat.
- North American XA2J Super Savage: enlarged AJ Savage with turboprop engines. The powerplant never worked as well as planned.
Early Cold War USN “what-if†fighter types:
- Douglas XF5D Skylancer: an advanced version of the F4D Skyray, but the Navy selected the Chance-Vought F8U Crusader.
- Chance-Vought XF8U-3 Crusader III: an advanced version of the F8U Crusader. A better fighter than the McDonnell F4H Phantom II, the Navy preferred the multi-role capability of the F4H.
- Convair XFY Pogo: turboprop tail sitter. The problem of landing while facing upwards was never solved.
- Convair F2Y Seadart: only supersonic seaplane to ever fly. Too many technical problems and Navy had learned to operate supersonic aircraft from carriers.
- Grumman XF10F Jaguar: an early variable-geometry design. Although the swing-wing worked, there were too many other technical issues.
- Grumman G118 design (unofficially XF12F): about half-way between the XF8U-3 Crusader III and the F4H Phantom II.
- Lockheed XFV “Salmonâ€: turboprop tail sitter. The problem of landing while facing upwards was never solved.
- Ryan X-13 Vertijet: turbojet tail sitter. This did successfully take off and land on jet thrust but was a purely experimental type with no combat capability.
Don S.
"When a fire starts to burn,
here's a lesson you must learn:
something-something and you'll see
you'll avoid catastrophe."
D'oh!
here's a lesson you must learn:
something-something and you'll see
you'll avoid catastrophe."
D'oh!
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RDoug732
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I would like to see in modern
Chieftain Mk11
AH-1F the one with the flat panels to reduce glint with TOW launchers- used until 1999 by the US Army and was/is used by Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Pakistan.
MIM-72 Chaparral
Updated M163 VAD
JGSDF Type 16 MCV
Komatsu LAV
JGSDF Type 87 SPAA
WW2
Japanese Type 1 47mm AT gun
Chieftain Mk11
AH-1F the one with the flat panels to reduce glint with TOW launchers- used until 1999 by the US Army and was/is used by Israel, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Pakistan.
MIM-72 Chaparral
Updated M163 VAD
JGSDF Type 16 MCV
Komatsu LAV
JGSDF Type 87 SPAA
WW2
Japanese Type 1 47mm AT gun
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mike robel
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My prioritized wants are few:
M8 Armored Gun System
My current bet for the Army's new light tank. BAE also made a later version with a 120mm gun
https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/articl ... er-program
Armored Multi-Purpose Scout Vehicle
https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/a ... hicle-ampv
XM1283 General Purpose (GP)/XM1284 Medical Evacuation Vehicle (MEV)
XM1285 Medical Treatment Vehicle (MTV)/XM1286 Mission Command (MCmd
XM1287 Mortar Carrier Vehicle (MCV)
M109A7
Somewhat visually different with 6 road wheels vice the 7 of earlier M109s, looks like they are from a Bradley and it uses Bradley tracks as well. Other improvements are inside.
https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/m109a7
MBT70/XM803
https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/d ... mor_id=472
Armored Reconnaissance Scout Vehicle - Tracked Version
http://tanknutdave.com/the-us-army-xm80 ... e-project/
http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/xm800t.htm
M41 DK1
Modernized version of the M41
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/m41dk1.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product917.html
M8 Armored Gun System
My current bet for the Army's new light tank. BAE also made a later version with a 120mm gun
https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/articl ... er-program
Armored Multi-Purpose Scout Vehicle
https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/a ... hicle-ampv
XM1283 General Purpose (GP)/XM1284 Medical Evacuation Vehicle (MEV)
XM1285 Medical Treatment Vehicle (MTV)/XM1286 Mission Command (MCmd
XM1287 Mortar Carrier Vehicle (MCV)
M109A7
Somewhat visually different with 6 road wheels vice the 7 of earlier M109s, looks like they are from a Bradley and it uses Bradley tracks as well. Other improvements are inside.
https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/m109a7
MBT70/XM803
https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/d ... mor_id=472
Armored Reconnaissance Scout Vehicle - Tracked Version
http://tanknutdave.com/the-us-army-xm80 ... e-project/
http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/xm800t.htm
M41 DK1
Modernized version of the M41
http://www.armyvehicles.dk/m41dk1.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product917.html
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panzergator
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POLITICIANS! What a GREAT IDEA! I believe I will establish an independent mech infantry company composed of local and national politicians. As an elite company, they will be expected to lead the way in all high risk assaults. I'm afraid we can't risk employing them for important tasks which they might try to talk their way through, but if they are out in front of everybody else, they would prove their utiity, as well as their worth.
All blessings flow from a good mission statement.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
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7.62
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I have a pack of the party logo decals ready to go!
GHQ D15
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/media/m-images/d15.jpg
GHQ D15
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/media/m-images/d15.jpg
