Although I support the new CONSOLIDATED WISH LIST, this list is established to accommodate those who wish to go beyond the limits of 5 per classification. Sometimes, an item will appear on this list that will inspire someone to add it to the other list as one of their five nominations, so have at it..
Please make it as easy as possible to for GHQ to accommodate your wishes. Try to follow the sample format - classifications are Ultra-Modern, Cold War/Vietnam, '47, WWII, and WWI. Under the classification, specify the country, the model number and nickname, and then some justification, including its role.
My preference is to go with the other list and limit nominations, which requires folks to be more discriminating about what they ask for, so head on down to the Consolidated 1/285th list unless you simply can't resist. The Consolidated list is much more efficient and easier for GHQ to use.
2020-2021 Wish List (SEE CONSOLIDATED 1/285 LIST)
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2020-2021 Wish List (SEE CONSOLIDATED 1/285 LIST)
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Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
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My wish list for 2020-2021, alas, largely unchanged from the previous year. I have added some info for GHQ's consideration.
MODERN
US - M577 CANVAS EXTENSION (old-style (70s-80s) - stand alone no vehicle, so we can just add them to the M-577s we already have when emplaced or remove them to move. My preferred version of the extension is the one in use from the late 1960s at least through 1st Gulf. I have extensive experience serving with it, it was in service for at least 25 years, and was used at both battalion and brigade level in armor, mechanized, and artillery units. In wargaming Cold War combat, it is essential to represent emplaced command centers. There were 6 M577s in each H series TOE tank and mech battalion, and 8 in the J series, the arty brought one to tie into the TOC, and there were often more hooked in to a brigade headquarters. Armored Cavalry squadrons had them at troop level, as well. I have only seen a picture of ONE extension like the one issued by GHQ, and it was a 15mm model. I could EASILY be wrong, but I just find no evidence for the GHQ model in available internet pics and I never saw one while on active duty or around military posts - my wife served until 1998. I have seen a new model that is the approximate size of the one I am familiar with, and I would be willing to accept that. Until then, I will make my own or purchase them from another company that might make them. I'm stubborn about this and I apologize, but I am just not going to purchase any of the rump 577s. A bn TOC might see S-3 and S-2 track back to back, the arty fire support 577 alongside one or the other. The signal 577 at another location, the mortar 577 with the mortars, and the medic 577 with the aid station, a total of 6 bn 577s plus the arty track. J series battalions had 8 M577s.
US - TANK, XM-803. The 803 is the austere version of the MBT70. The Germans, with whom this was a joint project with the US, were considering replacing the 152 gun/missile launcher with the 120mm smoothbore. I think the tank which would have been built would have had the 120mm gun and no 20mm cannon, and would have had the elevated mg station at the commander's cupola. Experience with the M551 and M60A2 reinforced negatives of the 152mm gun/missile . The 20mm cannon was also a problem and would have been eliminated. I remember talking with M114 crew about difficulties with the 20mm, as well. The M803 would offer a good bridge between the M60 series and M1s to cover the 1970s and early 80s. It was much faster and more maneuverable than M60, had innovative armor, although it was not Chobham armor, and new fire control systems. If GHQ wants to go with the 152mm gun instead, that offers advantages and challenges, as well. The longer barrel provides a higher muzzle velocity for the gun round, which offers increased range over the 1500 meters of the M60A2. The 20mm would require a dice roll decision concerning malfunctions of various kinds, and then, for either tank, there is the possible driver disorientation resulting from his position location in the turret. And it looks COOL! I would like to see the XM803 with 120mm gun, without the 20mm cannon, and maybe a .50 at the commander's position. I plan two 54-tank battalions of these. Incidentally, there is a great pic on the internet of what I would like to see - an XM803 with a remote mg station at the cdr's hatch. There is a line drawing of the XM803 on page 146 of the 2015 edition of R. P. Hunnicutt's "Abrams: A History of the American Main Battle Tank, Volume 2."
US - GOER, M-520 Cargo (4 cargo, crane to convert 1 if desired, to recovery)
US - GOER, M-559 Fuel Service
The GOER series of logistics haulers entered service on a trial basis in Vietnam and performed well. The cargo, fuel service, and wrecker version served in tank battalions throughout the 70s, along with its articulated little brother, the M561/M792 Gamma Goat. They were amphibious to a degree and maneuverable cross-country. Performance suffered on hard roads because the only suspension was their oversized tires. They could develop a bounce traveling at speed, which was only 31 mph, which resulted in loss of control. The lack of protection for the driver in the cab would result in fatality, something experienced by my unit. Although some mech battalions had more 5-ton trucks in lieu of GOERS, they served in tank, mech, and arty units where I was. We had problems with parts, and often had to locally procure any we could from Caterpillar distributors in country. We had GOERS in both USAREUR and Stateside units. I have a requirement for 11 battalions' worth, 10 GOERS each. One was a wrecker and the others were fuel service and haulers.
US - M51 heavy recovery vehicle. Need it to pull M103A2s out of the mud, off the beach, etc.0
US - CARRIER, PERSONNEL- M59
This one is at the end of your '47 period. Goes with M41, M47. Used M41 suspension components. (M75 used M24's)
WHAT IF...?
US - M1 tank turret test bed. In the early 1980s, the Armor Board tested the concept of putting 3-man crew below the hull top, either all three sitting side by side at the front or with driver In front and gunner and commander In turret. The hull top was thickened and the turret minimized. If you search internet for "M1 tank turret test bed, you will see pics. Look carefully at hull, because the Brits did something similar with Challenger. Both are interesting, both were waaaay before Armata.
US - XM-1 General Motors version. With 120mms gun. The Army wanted the gas turbine engine in the Chrysler version. This one has a diesel, but look what the Germans do with a diesel in the Leo II.
M8 Armored Gun System. I just read an article claiming the Army would soon receive 500 light tanks and this is the only one ready to go now. Please give US the add-on armor kit separately.
US - Armored Reconnaissance Scout Vehicle, Tracked. Sacrificed for the Bradley/Devers by a civilian who thought one vehicle could do two very different jobs.
UK - Conqueror heavy tank. Underpowered, problems notwithstanding, we need it for post-WAR forces.
In general, I have to back the guys clamoring for modern troops. I don't use 'em myself, but they all have a point. It's difficult to have a wargame without those troops.
If you are looking for references for modern US vehicles, R.P Hunnicutt's series on heavy, medium, and light tanks, main battle tanks, Bradleys, etc is in reprint on Amazon for much more reasonable prices than the originals.
MODERN
US - M577 CANVAS EXTENSION (old-style (70s-80s) - stand alone no vehicle, so we can just add them to the M-577s we already have when emplaced or remove them to move. My preferred version of the extension is the one in use from the late 1960s at least through 1st Gulf. I have extensive experience serving with it, it was in service for at least 25 years, and was used at both battalion and brigade level in armor, mechanized, and artillery units. In wargaming Cold War combat, it is essential to represent emplaced command centers. There were 6 M577s in each H series TOE tank and mech battalion, and 8 in the J series, the arty brought one to tie into the TOC, and there were often more hooked in to a brigade headquarters. Armored Cavalry squadrons had them at troop level, as well. I have only seen a picture of ONE extension like the one issued by GHQ, and it was a 15mm model. I could EASILY be wrong, but I just find no evidence for the GHQ model in available internet pics and I never saw one while on active duty or around military posts - my wife served until 1998. I have seen a new model that is the approximate size of the one I am familiar with, and I would be willing to accept that. Until then, I will make my own or purchase them from another company that might make them. I'm stubborn about this and I apologize, but I am just not going to purchase any of the rump 577s. A bn TOC might see S-3 and S-2 track back to back, the arty fire support 577 alongside one or the other. The signal 577 at another location, the mortar 577 with the mortars, and the medic 577 with the aid station, a total of 6 bn 577s plus the arty track. J series battalions had 8 M577s.
US - TANK, XM-803. The 803 is the austere version of the MBT70. The Germans, with whom this was a joint project with the US, were considering replacing the 152 gun/missile launcher with the 120mm smoothbore. I think the tank which would have been built would have had the 120mm gun and no 20mm cannon, and would have had the elevated mg station at the commander's cupola. Experience with the M551 and M60A2 reinforced negatives of the 152mm gun/missile . The 20mm cannon was also a problem and would have been eliminated. I remember talking with M114 crew about difficulties with the 20mm, as well. The M803 would offer a good bridge between the M60 series and M1s to cover the 1970s and early 80s. It was much faster and more maneuverable than M60, had innovative armor, although it was not Chobham armor, and new fire control systems. If GHQ wants to go with the 152mm gun instead, that offers advantages and challenges, as well. The longer barrel provides a higher muzzle velocity for the gun round, which offers increased range over the 1500 meters of the M60A2. The 20mm would require a dice roll decision concerning malfunctions of various kinds, and then, for either tank, there is the possible driver disorientation resulting from his position location in the turret. And it looks COOL! I would like to see the XM803 with 120mm gun, without the 20mm cannon, and maybe a .50 at the commander's position. I plan two 54-tank battalions of these. Incidentally, there is a great pic on the internet of what I would like to see - an XM803 with a remote mg station at the cdr's hatch. There is a line drawing of the XM803 on page 146 of the 2015 edition of R. P. Hunnicutt's "Abrams: A History of the American Main Battle Tank, Volume 2."
US - GOER, M-520 Cargo (4 cargo, crane to convert 1 if desired, to recovery)
US - GOER, M-559 Fuel Service
The GOER series of logistics haulers entered service on a trial basis in Vietnam and performed well. The cargo, fuel service, and wrecker version served in tank battalions throughout the 70s, along with its articulated little brother, the M561/M792 Gamma Goat. They were amphibious to a degree and maneuverable cross-country. Performance suffered on hard roads because the only suspension was their oversized tires. They could develop a bounce traveling at speed, which was only 31 mph, which resulted in loss of control. The lack of protection for the driver in the cab would result in fatality, something experienced by my unit. Although some mech battalions had more 5-ton trucks in lieu of GOERS, they served in tank, mech, and arty units where I was. We had problems with parts, and often had to locally procure any we could from Caterpillar distributors in country. We had GOERS in both USAREUR and Stateside units. I have a requirement for 11 battalions' worth, 10 GOERS each. One was a wrecker and the others were fuel service and haulers.
US - M51 heavy recovery vehicle. Need it to pull M103A2s out of the mud, off the beach, etc.0
US - CARRIER, PERSONNEL- M59
This one is at the end of your '47 period. Goes with M41, M47. Used M41 suspension components. (M75 used M24's)
WHAT IF...?
US - M1 tank turret test bed. In the early 1980s, the Armor Board tested the concept of putting 3-man crew below the hull top, either all three sitting side by side at the front or with driver In front and gunner and commander In turret. The hull top was thickened and the turret minimized. If you search internet for "M1 tank turret test bed, you will see pics. Look carefully at hull, because the Brits did something similar with Challenger. Both are interesting, both were waaaay before Armata.
US - XM-1 General Motors version. With 120mms gun. The Army wanted the gas turbine engine in the Chrysler version. This one has a diesel, but look what the Germans do with a diesel in the Leo II.
M8 Armored Gun System. I just read an article claiming the Army would soon receive 500 light tanks and this is the only one ready to go now. Please give US the add-on armor kit separately.
US - Armored Reconnaissance Scout Vehicle, Tracked. Sacrificed for the Bradley/Devers by a civilian who thought one vehicle could do two very different jobs.
UK - Conqueror heavy tank. Underpowered, problems notwithstanding, we need it for post-WAR forces.
In general, I have to back the guys clamoring for modern troops. I don't use 'em myself, but they all have a point. It's difficult to have a wargame without those troops.
If you are looking for references for modern US vehicles, R.P Hunnicutt's series on heavy, medium, and light tanks, main battle tanks, Bradleys, etc is in reprint on Amazon for much more reasonable prices than the originals.
Last edited by panzergator on Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
All blessings flow from a good mission statement.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
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Ww2
Universal carrier Vickers MG and 3 inch mortar
15 Cwt. Water Bowser and trailer.
Morris C8 airborne prime mover for 17 PDA atg
UK airborne jeep
Vietnam
M274 mechanical mule with and without M40 rr
CJ 6/7 Civilian milaterized. Jeep
Canadian CTA 15 with out canvas top
M113 with Okinawa turret
LVTH6 with 105mm turret
LVT5E with full Dozer blade
LVT5R and command.
Cold war
Abbot SPG
Milan compact turret
Improved Hawk SAM system
M113 ACAV with M175 dragon missle post on turret
UK Bedford or Stalwart trucks
Modern
LMTV/FMTV armored cabs.
Maxpro MRAP
Truck mounted light equipment excavator
Ground mounted Tow ATGM
Ground. Mounted. M2. HMG. With fritz. Helmet
Universal carrier Vickers MG and 3 inch mortar
15 Cwt. Water Bowser and trailer.
Morris C8 airborne prime mover for 17 PDA atg
UK airborne jeep
Vietnam
M274 mechanical mule with and without M40 rr
CJ 6/7 Civilian milaterized. Jeep
Canadian CTA 15 with out canvas top
M113 with Okinawa turret
LVTH6 with 105mm turret
LVT5E with full Dozer blade
LVT5R and command.
Cold war
Abbot SPG
Milan compact turret
Improved Hawk SAM system
M113 ACAV with M175 dragon missle post on turret
UK Bedford or Stalwart trucks
Modern
LMTV/FMTV armored cabs.
Maxpro MRAP
Truck mounted light equipment excavator
Ground mounted Tow ATGM
Ground. Mounted. M2. HMG. With fritz. Helmet
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Not worried, Fireball. If Mohammed hadn't killed a bird with a BB gun when he was ten, he wouldn't be saddled with watching you.
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All blessings flow from a good mission statement.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
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With so much great Ultra-modern stuff for me on the 2019/20 list, this list got a bit shorter. The Cold War side did expand a little...
ULTRA-MODERN
-Aircraft
Eurofighter Typhoon (EU)
F-15E Strike Eagle (US)
F-16I Sufa or F-16V Viper (US)
-Micronauts
FF Gepard 3.9 class (Vietnam)
Tarantul class corvette (Vietnam)
CV Charles de Gaulle, (France)
FFG La Fayette class (France)
FFG Horizon class (France)
FFG Aquitaine class, (France)
-Armor
IM-SHORAD Stryker (US)
Namer Heavy IFV with 30mm/Spike Turret (Israel)
T-15 Armata IFV (Russia)
Kurdish Technical "Sandcrawler" and 'War Wagons"
Civilian Cars,Trucks, and Vans
COLD WAR
-Aircraft
F/A-18C Hornet (US)
A-6E Intruder (US)
Mirage F.1 (France)
-Micronauts
CV Forrestal (USN)
DDG Kidd (USN)
Ropucha-class landing ship (Soviet)
ULTRA-MODERN
-Aircraft
Eurofighter Typhoon (EU)
F-15E Strike Eagle (US)
F-16I Sufa or F-16V Viper (US)
-Micronauts
FF Gepard 3.9 class (Vietnam)
Tarantul class corvette (Vietnam)
CV Charles de Gaulle, (France)
FFG La Fayette class (France)
FFG Horizon class (France)
FFG Aquitaine class, (France)
-Armor
IM-SHORAD Stryker (US)
Namer Heavy IFV with 30mm/Spike Turret (Israel)
T-15 Armata IFV (Russia)
Kurdish Technical "Sandcrawler" and 'War Wagons"
Civilian Cars,Trucks, and Vans
COLD WAR
-Aircraft
F/A-18C Hornet (US)
A-6E Intruder (US)
Mirage F.1 (France)
-Micronauts
CV Forrestal (USN)
DDG Kidd (USN)
Ropucha-class landing ship (Soviet)