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The Canadian army does make extensive use of Armored Calvary units, it allows us to rapdly deploy the infantry to the front lines easier and quickly bring heavy guns to bare on the enemy, we spent huge amounts of time and money training the crews on how to use their tanks and other Vehicles as it takes a long time to replace them should they get destoryed in combat. As that New Canadian army saying goes, "Infantry is cheap, Leapord 2 Tanks are not".
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Karma-Naskis is reviewing it's complete Armoured doctrine this weekend.
At a fishing retreat on the West coast of the Island, the heads of the Armed Forces are talking the future of the tank (again).
New MBTs, no MBTs, wheeled gun platforms, pure missile platforms, tank destroyer, the whole can of worms has been opened up to debate.
The unique nature of the Island is to feature high on the decision making process.
The Army's current small number of older MBTs needs to be addressed ASAP.
At a fishing retreat on the West coast of the Island, the heads of the Armed Forces are talking the future of the tank (again).
New MBTs, no MBTs, wheeled gun platforms, pure missile platforms, tank destroyer, the whole can of worms has been opened up to debate.
The unique nature of the Island is to feature high on the decision making process.
The Army's current small number of older MBTs needs to be addressed ASAP.
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Unfortunately New Canada does not have the luxury to manufacture their own Leopard 2 tanks, they have to be directly imported from Germany, thats why most of the New Canadian Army resources went towards high quality training for the Leapord 2 tank crews, to ensure they will not lose one of these MBTs, otherwise we have to deploy older tanks into battle to quickly make up for the losses in the form of ether Leapord 1s, Centurions, even post war Sherman HVSS tanks are known to be fielded.
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We like the way you roll in Karma-Naskis! Maybe we should try a fishing retreat instead of shouting at each other and throwing manuals across the room. It’s important to review your doctrine periodically to make sure it is in synch with technology, strategic goals, national identity, etc.
In the ROD our sticking point with armored cavalry is whether or not it is actually needed. According to FM 17-95 (Cavalry Operations), “The fundamental purpose of cavalry is to perform reconnaissance and provide security in close operations.†Armored cavalry is a powerful force for sure, but it has historically been employed in squadron (battalion) strength to support a division, or in regimental strength to support a corps. The ROD though hasn’t fielded a real division in many years, much less a full corps. We operate primarily with brigades, and those brigades already have organic Brigade Reconnaissance Troops.
Furthermore, cavalry units lack organic infantry and their artillery is decentralized – two things that ROD folk find hard to swallow.
On the pro-cavalry side of the argument, is the tremendous firepower that armored cavalry can bring to the fight and the integrated air assets that give it great flexibility. One would think it not too hard to replace M3 CFVs with M2 IFVs and carry infantry instead of scouts, but then the role would change somewhat.
The debate is sure to rage on for quite a while. In the meantime, the ROD will continue operating under its current organizational structure.
In the ROD our sticking point with armored cavalry is whether or not it is actually needed. According to FM 17-95 (Cavalry Operations), “The fundamental purpose of cavalry is to perform reconnaissance and provide security in close operations.†Armored cavalry is a powerful force for sure, but it has historically been employed in squadron (battalion) strength to support a division, or in regimental strength to support a corps. The ROD though hasn’t fielded a real division in many years, much less a full corps. We operate primarily with brigades, and those brigades already have organic Brigade Reconnaissance Troops.
Furthermore, cavalry units lack organic infantry and their artillery is decentralized – two things that ROD folk find hard to swallow.
On the pro-cavalry side of the argument, is the tremendous firepower that armored cavalry can bring to the fight and the integrated air assets that give it great flexibility. One would think it not too hard to replace M3 CFVs with M2 IFVs and carry infantry instead of scouts, but then the role would change somewhat.
The debate is sure to rage on for quite a while. In the meantime, the ROD will continue operating under its current organizational structure.
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At CoC Hexagon
Lt Gnl Whilts said, "We need infantry units. Not just Cav and Armored Divisions.
Okay, lets organize the 1st Infantry Div."
But the the senior Cmd Sgt Major, speaks up, "we do have 8 Mechanized Infantry Divisions. So, General we might not need to create a new divisional structure."
Lt Gnl Whilts said, "We need infantry units. Not just Cav and Armored Divisions.
Okay, lets organize the 1st Infantry Div."
But the the senior Cmd Sgt Major, speaks up, "we do have 8 Mechanized Infantry Divisions. So, General we might not need to create a new divisional structure."
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The ROD would be happy to send a team of experts up to Canada. We can start by sending a team of senior officers to discuss some ideas for transforming the New Canadian military into a competent, professional force. Give us a couple days to get our team and the curriculum together. We recommend you bring your senior officers from all of your services together in one place for the discussion. Any place is good, but we do like Vancouver and Montreal!
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If you prefer, you can send your guys to the ROD for a week-long conference if you can't secure the meeting site.
And you need to understand that the protesters' anger is justified. Canada needs to accept responsibility for what happened in South America. Just because you somehow talked Someone else into getting beat up there, you still created the mess and then bailed and left Australia and India to fight for you.
Just calling it how I see it.
And you need to understand that the protesters' anger is justified. Canada needs to accept responsibility for what happened in South America. Just because you somehow talked Someone else into getting beat up there, you still created the mess and then bailed and left Australia and India to fight for you.
Just calling it how I see it.
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Canada reminds me of a British Army officer's evaluation report I once read of... "I don't know why anyone would follow this man unless it were out of idle curiosity."
All blessings flow from a good mission statement.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
Pogo was right. So was Ike.
"A Gentleman is a man who is only rude intentionally." (Churchill)
Give credit. Take responsibility.
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No problem, we can have the meeting at the ROD Joint Forces HQ, just outside the capital of Erinsburg. We have a very large conference room and supporting facilities that we can use.
We’re thinking a 5-day meeting, covering 2 topics per day and an open day at the end for following up on issues that need more attention. We will present a topic with some supporting ideas, along with recommendations for Canada. The rest of the time should be a group discussion. Feel free to bring whoever you want (we’ll be in the unclassified building) including participants from other nations if you wish. If we go over 50 people we will need to move from a conference room setting into an auditorium though.
Let us know when you want to arrive. We can start whenever you are ready.
Day 1
Morning Session: New Canada’s Military Culture
Afternoon Session: The Warrior Ethos
Day 2
Morning Session: Strategic Objectives
Afternoon Session: Expeditionary Warfare
Day 3
Morning Session: Modern Military Operations
Afternoon Session: Canada’s Army
Day 4
Morning Session: Canada’s Air Force
Afternoon Session: Canada’s navy
Day 5
Topics TBD
Barbecue and concert in the park
We’re thinking a 5-day meeting, covering 2 topics per day and an open day at the end for following up on issues that need more attention. We will present a topic with some supporting ideas, along with recommendations for Canada. The rest of the time should be a group discussion. Feel free to bring whoever you want (we’ll be in the unclassified building) including participants from other nations if you wish. If we go over 50 people we will need to move from a conference room setting into an auditorium though.
Let us know when you want to arrive. We can start whenever you are ready.
Day 1
Morning Session: New Canada’s Military Culture
Afternoon Session: The Warrior Ethos
Day 2
Morning Session: Strategic Objectives
Afternoon Session: Expeditionary Warfare
Day 3
Morning Session: Modern Military Operations
Afternoon Session: Canada’s Army
Day 4
Morning Session: Canada’s Air Force
Afternoon Session: Canada’s navy
Day 5
Topics TBD
Barbecue and concert in the park
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They are boarding a 707 now from CFB Toronto, they will heading your way soon.
The Canadian officials heading to the ROD meeting are
(Canadian Army): General, George Thornton.
(Royal Canadian Airforce): General, Vincent May
(Royal Canadian Navy): Admiral, Jason Kirk.
(Chief of Force Development): Major Tim Connor.
(Surgeon General): Brigadier General, Scott McCoy.
(Canadian Forces intelligence Command): Peter McDonald.
The Canadian officials heading to the ROD meeting are
(Canadian Army): General, George Thornton.
(Royal Canadian Airforce): General, Vincent May
(Royal Canadian Navy): Admiral, Jason Kirk.
(Chief of Force Development): Major Tim Connor.
(Surgeon General): Brigadier General, Scott McCoy.
(Canadian Forces intelligence Command): Peter McDonald.
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Welcome to the ROD! Two non-descript gray vans pick the Canadian delegation up at the airport and transport the people and luggage to the ROD’s Joint Forces Headquarters about 20 miles away.
Joint Forces HQ is outside of the city in a secluded area off the main highway. It is a sprawling complex with very tight security. The vans pass through two security checkpoints before arriving at the visitor’s quarters where you will be staying. There are several other buildings in this area, as well as a small motor pool and another gate that leads to a higher security area.
A dashing young artillery captain named Ocampo has been assigned to be your liaison. He will be staying in the visitor’s quarters while you are here so that you can find him if you need anything. He has 2 staff sergeants assisting him and 2 junior enlisted to drive the vans.
Captain Ocampo points out the gym and dining facility. If you need anything let him know. Otherwise he will escort you to the conference room tomorrow morning at 7am to begin the Day 1 morning session.

Joint Forces HQ is outside of the city in a secluded area off the main highway. It is a sprawling complex with very tight security. The vans pass through two security checkpoints before arriving at the visitor’s quarters where you will be staying. There are several other buildings in this area, as well as a small motor pool and another gate that leads to a higher security area.
A dashing young artillery captain named Ocampo has been assigned to be your liaison. He will be staying in the visitor’s quarters while you are here so that you can find him if you need anything. He has 2 staff sergeants assisting him and 2 junior enlisted to drive the vans.
Captain Ocampo points out the gym and dining facility. If you need anything let him know. Otherwise he will escort you to the conference room tomorrow morning at 7am to begin the Day 1 morning session.
