South Vancouver Island
The sonar buoys that the CP-140s and CS-2 Trackers has dropped picked up a sonar signal in the waterway between the main land and the island, possibility exist of presence of Subs from the KDF or could be just a shipwreck. A Tribal Class destroyer is steaming to the position reported by the sonar bouy to investigate.
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The PM of Karmanaskis has been sampling, trying too much of their #1 export product. The 8 staff members in the embassy that are residents of Karmanaskis have not returned to work since Thursday.
The CoC would like to have 32 staff people leave the embassy, to return home throughout the Commonwealth. Then maintain staff level of 10. Not sure about the 5 people Karmanaskis is referring to. Im sure we will learn.
All papers and information that was a concern has been burned, completely destroyed. Hard discs, RAM of all PCs except in the 'Hut', the secure room. If access attempts which are not the using the correct CV ode will have info erased, hard drive heated and burns.
The CoC is requesting two CoC helicopter, type NH-90 to enter K-country from the SE to pickup⁹ the 32.
The CoC would like to have 32 staff people leave the embassy, to return home throughout the Commonwealth. Then maintain staff level of 10. Not sure about the 5 people Karmanaskis is referring to. Im sure we will learn.
All papers and information that was a concern has been burned, completely destroyed. Hard discs, RAM of all PCs except in the 'Hut', the secure room. If access attempts which are not the using the correct CV ode will have info erased, hard drive heated and burns.
The CoC is requesting two CoC helicopter, type NH-90 to enter K-country from the SE to pickup⁹ the 32.
Chris
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Interesting comments from the PM and his cabinet that all that has been consuming the #1 export product.... that the timing is not right for this to take place. Dang, not sure who choose for it to happen now. As for the economy, well, I'm guessing it was your choice there....
. As for the development of military programs, not our fault. We try to be a purveyor of fine military hardware and software. We had some M47 E2 available, some T-62, T-72 among other MBTs from both Eastern and Western block producers, parts and ammo. Instead you went with Russia, and South Korea. Your choice.
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You chose to shut down the embassy, to threaten our staff members and they have been interred at the embassy. We asked if the CoC could fly them out or if another nation would be allowed, you decided that that would not be permitted.
. As for the development of military programs, not our fault. We try to be a purveyor of fine military hardware and software. We had some M47 E2 available, some T-62, T-72 among other MBTs from both Eastern and Western block producers, parts and ammo. Instead you went with Russia, and South Korea. Your choice.
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You chose to shut down the embassy, to threaten our staff members and they have been interred at the embassy. We asked if the CoC could fly them out or if another nation would be allowed, you decided that that would not be permitted.
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The embassy at Karmanaskis is requesting a large food order to last a week. Also the normal paper products.
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This is Shelia with Action News with WFOXY bring you up to the date information.
The embassy for the Commonwealth has placed an order for food for the 42 people that have been sleeping and living there for almost a week. The order is also including paper products since there are 42 people there around the clock. The CoC requested two helicopters to take out most of the staff members. But the govt of Karmanaskis has denied that request.
. ROD has offered to fly two helos in, that was denied. Since this Karmanaskis has given general approval to the helicopters to arrive, but not specific time has been approved nor communicated. The Karmanaskis has indicated that the people working at the embassy have lost the diplomatic immunity. The government is as bad as New Canada, dipliamats do not lose their immunity unless the government that they work for removes it. The UIN charter makes this procedure known to all members.
. The economy here in Karmanaskis has fallen apart. Probably with the leadership smoking the #1 export of Karmanaskis. No wonder their thinking is weird.
. "Oh wait, a Hortons truck has arrived to deliver breakfast to the embassy staff. Lets check this out. Hi, I'm Shelia with Action News, WFOXY."
. "Yes, we know who you are, we love your reporting", the delivery guys said.
Shelia, "how many meals are you taking in, what did they order?"
. Replied, "ordered for buffet for enough for 50 people of eggs, toast, bacon, cereal, juices and milk. We will be back to deliver lunch too."
"This is Shelia signing off as we keep an eye on the developments in Karmanaskis."
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This is Shelia with Action News with WFOXY bring you up to the date information.
The embassy for the Commonwealth has placed an order for food for the 42 people that have been sleeping and living there for almost a week. The order is also including paper products since there are 42 people there around the clock. The CoC requested two helicopters to take out most of the staff members. But the govt of Karmanaskis has denied that request.
. ROD has offered to fly two helos in, that was denied. Since this Karmanaskis has given general approval to the helicopters to arrive, but not specific time has been approved nor communicated. The Karmanaskis has indicated that the people working at the embassy have lost the diplomatic immunity. The government is as bad as New Canada, dipliamats do not lose their immunity unless the government that they work for removes it. The UIN charter makes this procedure known to all members.
. The economy here in Karmanaskis has fallen apart. Probably with the leadership smoking the #1 export of Karmanaskis. No wonder their thinking is weird.
. "Oh wait, a Hortons truck has arrived to deliver breakfast to the embassy staff. Lets check this out. Hi, I'm Shelia with Action News, WFOXY."
. "Yes, we know who you are, we love your reporting", the delivery guys said.
Shelia, "how many meals are you taking in, what did they order?"
. Replied, "ordered for buffet for enough for 50 people of eggs, toast, bacon, cereal, juices and milk. We will be back to deliver lunch too."
"This is Shelia signing off as we keep an eye on the developments in Karmanaskis."
Chris
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The police are doing a great job. We appreciate the work they are doing in Komox.
We would like our food please. Bar B Q for lunch and dinner.
Komox P.D., you aren't going to shoot through the windows are you? Which will not be successful unless you want to scare the staff.
. As reminder, the embassy is sovereign land of the Commonwealth of Chrisdom.
We would like our food please. Bar B Q for lunch and dinner.
Komox P.D., you aren't going to shoot through the windows are you? Which will not be successful unless you want to scare the staff.
. As reminder, the embassy is sovereign land of the Commonwealth of Chrisdom.
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The rest of the story, its legal application.
Is an Embassy on Foreign Soil the Sovereign Territory of the Host Country or the Embassy’s Country?
FSO Lifestyle / July 20, 2015
With the opening of the Cuban and US Embassy on each other’s state, this seemed like a timely and informative post to write.
Quick question for you, if you visit an embassy are you technically on foreign soil?
Think you know the answer?
Great!
Keep it in mind for now. I’ve got a couple of stories for you first.
Story 1
A few days ago I was hanging out with a friend of mine from Argentina. She was visiting Washington, DC for a conference and loved the weather, compared to what she was experiencing in TN.
Taking advantage of the 70 something climate, she decided to walk around Dupont Circle during a break in her conference. She came across the Argentine Embassy and got excited.
Running into the driveway she did a little celebratory jump, popped a big smile, and then ran out.
Later on that day we met up and she told me she was just on Argentine soil earlier that morning. I asked what she was talking about and she described what she did.
This then started a conversation on whether or not she was actually on foreign soil. In the end it didn’t matter, she was happy about it and I was happy for her.
Story 2
When I lived in Kenya I would sometimes run into the marines at the bar, who guarded the US Embassy, and join them for a drink. Most of their days were the same: guard the mission, do PT, do training scenarios, and other marine life activities (including popping wheelies with the golf cart).
Every now and then they would have an interesting story and this is one of them:
Like every weekday morning, a number of Kenyan nationals stood in line to enter the embassy seeking a meeting with the Consular section to go through the process of acquiring a visa. On this particular day, a pregnant lady far along and near the end of her 9-month period was in line, and the line was a long one.
She eventually entered the embassy (the entrance to speak with the consular section is different than the main entrance) and excused herself to visit the bathroom. What followed was a first time experience for all involved.
Either naturally, or induced, the woman gave birth to a son in the bathroom. “She went in with a bump, and came out with a baby†is how one marine described it. The lady then proceeded to state that her son is a US citizen because he was born on American soil (the US Embassy bathroom), should be given full rights, and the pair of them flown to the US.
The next few hours were a delicate balance of diplomacy between the marines, the consular section, and the woman as they tried to determine next steps.
Do you think the baby was born on US soil?
Embassy Territory
The best place to find answers to the above stories, and the question overall, is with the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961.
Within this convention, Articles 21-25 have to do with embassies, though more specifically diplomatic missions as a whole.
Article 21
1. The receiving State shall either facilitate the acquisition on its territory, in accordance with its laws, by the sending State of premises necessary for its mission or assist the latter in obtaining accommodation in some other way.
2. It shall also, where necessary, assist missions in obtaining suitable accommodation for their members.
Article 22
1. The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.
2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.
3. The premises of the mission, their furnishings and other property thereon and the means of transport of the mission shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution.
Article 23
1. The sending State and the head of the mission shall be exempt from all national, regional or municipal dues and taxes in respect of the premises of the mission, whether owned or leased, other than such as represent payment for specific services rendered.
2. The exemption from taxation referred to in this article shall not apply to such dues and taxes payable under the law of the receiving State by persons contracting with the sending State or the head of the mission.
Article 24
The archives and documents of the mission shall be inviolable at any time and wherever they may be.
Article 25
The receiving State shall accord full facilities for the performance of the functions of the mission.
Above you will notice I bolded a few phrases, all in Article 22, which have to do with mission sovereignty. Let’s break it down:
1. The premises of a mission shall be inviolable
Nobody can enter the mission without permission- this includes the host country
2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity
If you visit the US Embassy, especially in more dangerous parts of the world, you will see the exterior of the mission being guarded by local nationals. The inside will have a marine detachment, but the outside will either be local police or military.
Now, in my experience, the words “protect… mission against any damage and to prevent any disturbance of peace… or impairment of its dignityâ€, have been interpreted differently depending on the situation.
Story 3
I’ll keep this personal story short, because it deserves an entire post to itself. The year was 1999 and NATO had accidently bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. The response of Chinese protests was almost immediate and approved by the Chinese government. For a week, thousands of students were brought and dropped off by bus to protest all day around the US Embassy compound (England, Australia, and a couple of others also experienced protesting, but not as many).
The Embassy was under a constant barrage of rocks, bricks, bottles filled with urine, liquids, paints, and other materials during this time. Though there were Chinese police personnel guarding the entrance of the Embassy, they were not protecting against “damage… or impairment of [US Mission] dignityâ€.
This meant that by the end of the week, the Embassy no longer had a sandpaper color to it, but was now a multicolored mess, and that is putting it mildly. A lot happened during this time: my dad having to go in and out of the embassy during the dark, a CNN reporter being beaten with a brick, a close call between marines and a Chinese citizen who jumped the fence, and being told to be prepared for evacuation, but I’ll save it for another time.
3. The premises of the mission… shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution
Similar to number one, unless the individual or party is asked to conduct any of the above, it is not allowed by a host country or any entity. The premise, just like the diplomat and their family, is awarded immunity.
If you are curious about what diplomatic immunity entails, read Articles 29-41.
Is the embassy territory sovereign territory?
Hopefully by now you have an idea of the answer, which is no.
In story 1, my friend did not jump for joy on Argentine soil, in story 2, the baby does not become a US citizen, and in story 3, US sovereign territory was not attacked, but the US mission was.
Does the embassy enjoy immunity though? Absolutely!
It is this immunity that most likely confuses folks when it comes to sovereignty. The mission is protected and is considered US property, but the territory does not belong to the US (or any other country with an embassy). Again, the Vienna Convention does not state that the property belongs to the embassy’s country.
Though the immunity can be violated, for the most part it is respected. Without such immunity, the life of a diplomatic would be more difficult during times of aggression within and between countries.
So, did you know the answer?
Is an Embassy on Foreign Soil the Sovereign Territory of the Host Country or the Embassy’s Country?
FSO Lifestyle / July 20, 2015
With the opening of the Cuban and US Embassy on each other’s state, this seemed like a timely and informative post to write.
Quick question for you, if you visit an embassy are you technically on foreign soil?
Think you know the answer?
Great!
Keep it in mind for now. I’ve got a couple of stories for you first.
Story 1
A few days ago I was hanging out with a friend of mine from Argentina. She was visiting Washington, DC for a conference and loved the weather, compared to what she was experiencing in TN.
Taking advantage of the 70 something climate, she decided to walk around Dupont Circle during a break in her conference. She came across the Argentine Embassy and got excited.
Running into the driveway she did a little celebratory jump, popped a big smile, and then ran out.
Later on that day we met up and she told me she was just on Argentine soil earlier that morning. I asked what she was talking about and she described what she did.
This then started a conversation on whether or not she was actually on foreign soil. In the end it didn’t matter, she was happy about it and I was happy for her.
Story 2
When I lived in Kenya I would sometimes run into the marines at the bar, who guarded the US Embassy, and join them for a drink. Most of their days were the same: guard the mission, do PT, do training scenarios, and other marine life activities (including popping wheelies with the golf cart).
Every now and then they would have an interesting story and this is one of them:
Like every weekday morning, a number of Kenyan nationals stood in line to enter the embassy seeking a meeting with the Consular section to go through the process of acquiring a visa. On this particular day, a pregnant lady far along and near the end of her 9-month period was in line, and the line was a long one.
She eventually entered the embassy (the entrance to speak with the consular section is different than the main entrance) and excused herself to visit the bathroom. What followed was a first time experience for all involved.
Either naturally, or induced, the woman gave birth to a son in the bathroom. “She went in with a bump, and came out with a baby†is how one marine described it. The lady then proceeded to state that her son is a US citizen because he was born on American soil (the US Embassy bathroom), should be given full rights, and the pair of them flown to the US.
The next few hours were a delicate balance of diplomacy between the marines, the consular section, and the woman as they tried to determine next steps.
Do you think the baby was born on US soil?
Embassy Territory
The best place to find answers to the above stories, and the question overall, is with the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961.
Within this convention, Articles 21-25 have to do with embassies, though more specifically diplomatic missions as a whole.
Article 21
1. The receiving State shall either facilitate the acquisition on its territory, in accordance with its laws, by the sending State of premises necessary for its mission or assist the latter in obtaining accommodation in some other way.
2. It shall also, where necessary, assist missions in obtaining suitable accommodation for their members.
Article 22
1. The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.
2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.
3. The premises of the mission, their furnishings and other property thereon and the means of transport of the mission shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution.
Article 23
1. The sending State and the head of the mission shall be exempt from all national, regional or municipal dues and taxes in respect of the premises of the mission, whether owned or leased, other than such as represent payment for specific services rendered.
2. The exemption from taxation referred to in this article shall not apply to such dues and taxes payable under the law of the receiving State by persons contracting with the sending State or the head of the mission.
Article 24
The archives and documents of the mission shall be inviolable at any time and wherever they may be.
Article 25
The receiving State shall accord full facilities for the performance of the functions of the mission.
Above you will notice I bolded a few phrases, all in Article 22, which have to do with mission sovereignty. Let’s break it down:
1. The premises of a mission shall be inviolable
Nobody can enter the mission without permission- this includes the host country
2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity
If you visit the US Embassy, especially in more dangerous parts of the world, you will see the exterior of the mission being guarded by local nationals. The inside will have a marine detachment, but the outside will either be local police or military.
Now, in my experience, the words “protect… mission against any damage and to prevent any disturbance of peace… or impairment of its dignityâ€, have been interpreted differently depending on the situation.
Story 3
I’ll keep this personal story short, because it deserves an entire post to itself. The year was 1999 and NATO had accidently bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. The response of Chinese protests was almost immediate and approved by the Chinese government. For a week, thousands of students were brought and dropped off by bus to protest all day around the US Embassy compound (England, Australia, and a couple of others also experienced protesting, but not as many).
The Embassy was under a constant barrage of rocks, bricks, bottles filled with urine, liquids, paints, and other materials during this time. Though there were Chinese police personnel guarding the entrance of the Embassy, they were not protecting against “damage… or impairment of [US Mission] dignityâ€.
This meant that by the end of the week, the Embassy no longer had a sandpaper color to it, but was now a multicolored mess, and that is putting it mildly. A lot happened during this time: my dad having to go in and out of the embassy during the dark, a CNN reporter being beaten with a brick, a close call between marines and a Chinese citizen who jumped the fence, and being told to be prepared for evacuation, but I’ll save it for another time.
3. The premises of the mission… shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution
Similar to number one, unless the individual or party is asked to conduct any of the above, it is not allowed by a host country or any entity. The premise, just like the diplomat and their family, is awarded immunity.
If you are curious about what diplomatic immunity entails, read Articles 29-41.
Is the embassy territory sovereign territory?
Hopefully by now you have an idea of the answer, which is no.
In story 1, my friend did not jump for joy on Argentine soil, in story 2, the baby does not become a US citizen, and in story 3, US sovereign territory was not attacked, but the US mission was.
Does the embassy enjoy immunity though? Absolutely!
It is this immunity that most likely confuses folks when it comes to sovereignty. The mission is protected and is considered US property, but the territory does not belong to the US (or any other country with an embassy). Again, the Vienna Convention does not state that the property belongs to the embassy’s country.
Though the immunity can be violated, for the most part it is respected. Without such immunity, the life of a diplomatic would be more difficult during times of aggression within and between countries.
So, did you know the answer?
Chris
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You do not get to remove the immunity. You locked them up in the embassy compound, so unable to leave. You would not let the helos in, which is your right.
Article 22
1. The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.
2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.
3. The premises of the mission, their furnishings and other property thereon and the means of transport of the mission shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution.
Article 22
1. The premises of the mission shall be inviolable. The agents of the receiving State may not enter them, except with the consent of the head of the mission.
2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.
3. The premises of the mission, their furnishings and other property thereon and the means of transport of the mission shall be immune from search, requisition, attachment or execution.
Chris