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chrisswim wrote:PG, you are correct.
The same day Germany invaded Poland.

Brevated General Custer.

Not for PG...Who was the second highest ranking officer in US 7th Cavalry in 1876?
Did that person survive Little Big Horn?

3 rd highest ranking officer in 7th US Cav? Did that person survive Little Big Horn?
COL Sturgis, detached to Recruiting duty, I believe at Jefferson Barracks, MO. His son was at the LBH and was killed.

MAJ Reno was the 2nd senior officer present at the LBH and survived. The other two majors were on detached duty.

CPT Benteen was the 3rd Senior officer persent at the LBH and survived., but he would have been fourth or fifth if Sturgis and the other two majors had been there.

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Yay, Mike!

Sturgis' son was a recent grad of USMA and an infantry officer, nonetheless serving with the 7th. You often see a photo of a contemporary grave marker, but it was faked for the benefit of his mother at the behest of Col. Sturgis. His son's body was never found.

Both Sturgis and Custer were brevetted MG during the Civil War, and other officers serving with the regiment had been brevetted as well.

Next questions...

What is a brevet and how does it work?

And where WERE the other two majors authorized for the regiment?
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Giving an officer a higher rank based upon gallantry, similar to honorary title/rank.
Without pay, authority.
originated with France.
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If it without pay and authority, explain how Custer could command a brigade and later a division during the Civil War. What rank did he wear in those positions and what tank did he wear with the 7th. Once beveted, what dictated the how he was addressed.

What word do you use when addressing or responding to a general officer in the U.S. Army?
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I always thought a brevet promotion was a temporary promotion. So when an army mobilizes for war and the ranks swell they can promote some guys to higher positions, but then after the war when the army goes back to normal size, the breveted officers revert to their original rank. No real reference or instruction though - that was just the impression I got over the years.

I rarely spoke to generals, but when I did I just called them "Sir". They didn't seem too upset about it but I never gave it much thought. Are you supposed to call them "General"?

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Yeah I thought the brevet was a temporary promotion as well. At least until higher ups approved of the promotion and made it permanent.

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New question: how many American fighter pilots became "two-war aces" (shot down at least 5 enemy planes in World War 2, and then at least 5 more in the Korean War)?

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Very very close, Vergeltungswaffe, but the reference I found lists more than 6. I'll post the answer and names tonight if no one can guess or find it.

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Looking it up only yields results for Air Force (Army Air Corps) aces. Does not mention Navy or Marine aces.
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I don't have an answer for the aces. I should, but it just won't come to mind.

Does anyone know the date of the XVII, XVIII, and XIX legions?

What were Hutier tactics?
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I am tracking 7 two-war aces from both World War 2 and Korea:

[u]USAAF/USAF[/u]
George Davis
Francis Gabreski
Vermont Garrison
James Hagerstrom
Harrison Thyng
William Whisner

[u]USMC[/u]
John Bolt

Bolt may have thrown you off because he got his WW2 ace flying with the Marines and his Korean ace while a Marine pilot flying an F-86 attached to the USAF's 51st Fighter Interceptor WIng.

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Hutier tactics are tactics for infiltrating enemy lines. He favored bypassing enemy strongpoints and using artillery to blast the hell out of rear areas and logistics hubs instead of hitting the front line units.

I have no idea about the legions.

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Would you count Robin Olds, who aced in WWII and Vietnam?
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Robin Olds deserves some credit and glory, but I was looking specifically for WW2 and Korea. She gets credit for a cool mustache too!

I saw a facebook post with a picture of a P-40 and I started thinking about other WW2 planes like the P-47 which is one of my favorites. The P-47 always makes me think about Gabreski and I knew that he was an ace in both wars so I started looking to see who aced in both of those wars. It's scary how things get out of control so quickly!

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I read an autobiography of Gabreski in the early 60s. Very excitibg. There were many personal war stories to be found in the post library at Ft. Monmouth then, and I lapped them all up.
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