I would like to start a thread that pertains to the USMC. If you have any info that pertains to the subject please post it here. This would include TO&Es ,vehicles,aircraft, vessels,battles,and history. In this way anybody that needs the info can easily look into it.Please no other info other than the subject. I hope that we can do other subjects likewise.
I would like to start by getting some info on the LAV-25-can it swim surf,also is there any prep time needed to swim...
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Devildog
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Semper Fi Devil Dogs.
I spent 6 years with Comm Platoon, H&S Company 4th Combat Engineer Btn.
Here's a good source for TO's: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... index.html
Official USMC TO's. The only complaint I have is sorting out the number of vehicles in some types of units - especially HMMWVs & Trucks etc. You kind've have to sort by the number of drivers listed.
Anyway, this site also has great links to equipment/weapons etc.
What USMC related minis do you want to see? Here is my list:
the new 7 Ton Trucks - MTVR
CH-46
Line Charge Equioment (for Combat Engineers)
USMC Individual Infantry Heavy Weapons (ie - SMAW, Javelin ATGM, M240 GPMG, MK19 AGL, M2HB)
M-777 LW 155mm Howitzer
120mm MFSS (120mm Mortar System)
Obviously alot of this is new gear, but am I the only one interested in gaming contemporary or near future what ifs?
WW2:
LVT-4
Anyway, looking forward to hearing from other Marines or those interested in Marine gaming!
I spent 6 years with Comm Platoon, H&S Company 4th Combat Engineer Btn.
Here's a good source for TO's: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... index.html
Official USMC TO's. The only complaint I have is sorting out the number of vehicles in some types of units - especially HMMWVs & Trucks etc. You kind've have to sort by the number of drivers listed.
Anyway, this site also has great links to equipment/weapons etc.
What USMC related minis do you want to see? Here is my list:
the new 7 Ton Trucks - MTVR
CH-46
Line Charge Equioment (for Combat Engineers)
USMC Individual Infantry Heavy Weapons (ie - SMAW, Javelin ATGM, M240 GPMG, MK19 AGL, M2HB)
M-777 LW 155mm Howitzer
120mm MFSS (120mm Mortar System)
Obviously alot of this is new gear, but am I the only one interested in gaming contemporary or near future what ifs?
WW2:
LVT-4
Anyway, looking forward to hearing from other Marines or those interested in Marine gaming!
"Hell no we're not retreating. We are just attacking from a different position." Gen. Oliver Smith USMC
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For the 13 man Marine Rifle Squad using GHQ infantry. I have figured out the following needs.
Each infantry sprue contains 9 figures add to that 2 SAW's from the Heavy weapons pack. Unless you want to spend alot of money I would order the individual sprues.
After adding the 3 SAW.s yoru at 12 men then add the kneeling NCO from the weapons pack and your done. (you won't have figures for all the 203's but you will be spending alot of money and waisting alot of figures to get those 2 soldiers) If your doing MP's and Engineers you may be able to justify it.
For the weapons platoon you should have enough MMG's to equip a company in one pack and enough to cover the 60mm mortar section.
We usually had 2 Dragons attached to us from the Battalion Weapons Company you would have enough in one pack to do that attachment. Will need more weapons packs if you try to do a Battalion.
Each infantry sprue contains 9 figures add to that 2 SAW's from the Heavy weapons pack. Unless you want to spend alot of money I would order the individual sprues.
After adding the 3 SAW.s yoru at 12 men then add the kneeling NCO from the weapons pack and your done. (you won't have figures for all the 203's but you will be spending alot of money and waisting alot of figures to get those 2 soldiers) If your doing MP's and Engineers you may be able to justify it.
For the weapons platoon you should have enough MMG's to equip a company in one pack and enough to cover the 60mm mortar section.
We usually had 2 Dragons attached to us from the Battalion Weapons Company you would have enough in one pack to do that attachment. Will need more weapons packs if you try to do a Battalion.
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JB:
I was in Bravo co. 1st LAR bn 93-96 as a scout and I can tell you this about the LAV family:
It will swamp in surf; we always LCACed it in.
Prep for wading is simple and short but it doesn't mater because we never did it.
Armor is VERY thin-perhaps it seemed more so because my life depended on it.
It only fits 4 scouts in the back and we deployed once with only 3 per vehicle. The stats say it fits 6 but that is absolutely absurd.
During my hitch there was debate as to how scouts were to be used. One school said merely as vehicle security and the other had us taking helos into O.P.s and linking up with vehicles later, using zodiacs, etc. We cross trained as assault men (SMAW per vehicle) and infantry but rarely did those roles. How it is 10 years later I don't know.
And most importantly...it beats walking.
Semper Fi
Will
I was in Bravo co. 1st LAR bn 93-96 as a scout and I can tell you this about the LAV family:
It will swamp in surf; we always LCACed it in.
Prep for wading is simple and short but it doesn't mater because we never did it.
Armor is VERY thin-perhaps it seemed more so because my life depended on it.
It only fits 4 scouts in the back and we deployed once with only 3 per vehicle. The stats say it fits 6 but that is absolutely absurd.
During my hitch there was debate as to how scouts were to be used. One school said merely as vehicle security and the other had us taking helos into O.P.s and linking up with vehicles later, using zodiacs, etc. We cross trained as assault men (SMAW per vehicle) and infantry but rarely did those roles. How it is 10 years later I don't know.
And most importantly...it beats walking.
Semper Fi
Will
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jb
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Thanks for the info red3scout,it is very helpful. I'm really confused as to the mission of the scouts. I've been getting info online. One prominent Marine officer has alot to say about having a seperate MOS for the scout/crew. He wants the 3 scouts and the crew to know all the jobs aboard. He points out to the Army's Armoured scouts and their method of MOS as scouts and crew as the same.red3scout wrote:JB:
I was in Bravo co. 1st LAR bn 93-96 as a scout and I can tell you this about the LAV family:
It will swamp in surf; we always LCACed it in.
Prep for wading is simple and short but it doesn't mater because we never did it.
Armor is VERY thin-perhaps it seemed more so because my life depended on it.
It only fits 4 scouts in the back and we deployed once with only 3 per vehicle. The stats say it fits 6 but that is absolutely absurd.
During my hitch there was debate as to how scouts were to be used. One school said merely as vehicle security and the other had us taking helos into O.P.s and linking up with vehicles later, using zodiacs, etc. We cross trained as assault men (SMAW per vehicle) and infantry but rarely did those roles. How it is 10 years later I don't know.
And most importantly...it beats walking.
Semper Fi
Will
Right now I'm building a USMC force-One company of each,LAAR co,Infantry co,Tank co,and some AAVP7A1s. The big question for me right now is the scouts how many? I definatly know how I will deploy them when I find out how many and of course the weapons mix.
I was actually a Tanker,also trained on the M113. We did swim the 113 (in training) a few times but as for unit training we never did. to swim the vehicle you need a lot of ideal conditions-note that conditions is plural!
Once again I thank you,and if you have more info please pass it along,it will get used.
John
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red3scout
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Everyone was/is confused about the role of the scouts. We were all cross trained as vehicle crewmen; gunning, driving, comm, maitenance and all that.
I was in Mogadishu in 1994 and we were used as local security during halts; stop,scouts punch out down alleys or whatever then come back in when we moved out. At night we did patrols outside whatever perimeter we happened have at the time.
In 95-96 we were in Kuwait and we did a lot of OPs on the border; sitting in a hole with a spotting scope and counting Iraqi patrols while the vehicles did other stuff; mostly patrols I believe. It was 38 degrees F and raining-talk about miserable. I had a fever and the whole bit.
As far as MOS goes we were termed 0312 which was sort of a watered down 0321. As a matter of fact the scouts were originally all 0321s brought over when first recon bn was disbanded. I was still in RIP then so we all did zodiacs, helo casting and all that.
For the present I dont know what developments have taken place but from what I have read it appears they keep scouts on a pretty short leash. In hot zones there would definately be 4 scouts per vehicle; in Somalia we had 4, in Kuwait, a non hot depoyment, we had 3.
Scout teams are armed like a fireteam except we all had night vision,a big deal at the time, and had one or two radios per team depending on the mission. We were never supposed to shoot and we constantly did break contact drills.
Hope this helps
Will
I was in Mogadishu in 1994 and we were used as local security during halts; stop,scouts punch out down alleys or whatever then come back in when we moved out. At night we did patrols outside whatever perimeter we happened have at the time.
In 95-96 we were in Kuwait and we did a lot of OPs on the border; sitting in a hole with a spotting scope and counting Iraqi patrols while the vehicles did other stuff; mostly patrols I believe. It was 38 degrees F and raining-talk about miserable. I had a fever and the whole bit.
As far as MOS goes we were termed 0312 which was sort of a watered down 0321. As a matter of fact the scouts were originally all 0321s brought over when first recon bn was disbanded. I was still in RIP then so we all did zodiacs, helo casting and all that.
For the present I dont know what developments have taken place but from what I have read it appears they keep scouts on a pretty short leash. In hot zones there would definately be 4 scouts per vehicle; in Somalia we had 4, in Kuwait, a non hot depoyment, we had 3.
Scout teams are armed like a fireteam except we all had night vision,a big deal at the time, and had one or two radios per team depending on the mission. We were never supposed to shoot and we constantly did break contact drills.
Hope this helps
Will
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red3scout,yeah that helps out a lot! How about AT capabilities-anything other than SMAWs? Also do you know anything about how many troops actually deployed in AAVP-7A1s? I also heard something about the Marines going to a 2 fireteam squadred3scout wrote:Everyone was/is confused about the role of the scouts. We were all cross trained as vehicle crewmen; gunning, driving, comm, maitenance and all that.
I was in Mogadishu in 1994 and we were used as local security during halts; stop,scouts punch out down alleys or whatever then come back in when we moved out. At night we did patrols outside whatever perimeter we happened have at the time.
In 95-96 we were in Kuwait and we did a lot of OPs on the border; sitting in a hole with a spotting scope and counting Iraqi patrols while the vehicles did other stuff; mostly patrols I believe. It was 38 degrees F and raining-talk about miserable. I had a fever and the whole bit.
As far as MOS goes we were termed 0312 which was sort of a watered down 0321. As a matter of fact the scouts were originally all 0321s brought over when first recon bn was disbanded. I was still in RIP then so we all did zodiacs, helo casting and all that.
For the present I dont know what developments have taken place but from what I have read it appears they keep scouts on a pretty short leash. In hot zones there would definately be 4 scouts per vehicle; in Somalia we had 4, in Kuwait, a non hot depoyment, we had 3.
Scout teams are armed like a fireteam except we all had night vision,a big deal at the time, and had one or two radios per team depending on the mission. We were never supposed to shoot and we constantly did break contact drills.
Hope this helps
Will
can you enlighten us to any of this?
John
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When I got out in 2002, we we're still setup in 3 fireteam squad. I'm not sure if that change is still in the works, but none of my NCOs ever mentioned that we might be.jb wrote:I also heard something about the Marines going to a 2 fireteam squad
can you enlighten us to any of this?
However, I was in Mortars, so I could be mistaken. Just my 2 cents.
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A T/O Rifle Squad is still 13 men. One squad Leader plus three teams of four, each team 2x M16A2, 1x M16A2/M203, 1x Squad Automatic Weapon. M-4 Carbines have been making there way into the mix. M240G and SMAWs come from the Weapons Platoon of a Rifle Company and attached out depending on the tactical situation. As always seems that despite their best efforts, units deploy short of T/O, so a unit may have to consolidate into two robust maneuver elements (fireteams). One thing you can say about the Marine Corps is that they are flexible and will readily adapt to changing conditions.
Because of the numbers involved, most common but least thoughtpovoking attachments are 2x M240G Teams (a MG Sqd) and 2x SMAW Teams (an Assault Sqd) to each of the three Rifle Platoon, with the three company 60mm mortars in GS. 0351 SMAW Gunners are also cross trained in demolitions/engineer work. Not cross trained to the point of MOS proficiency, but in a pinch they are the ones designated to conduct such tasks.
Because of the numbers involved, most common but least thoughtpovoking attachments are 2x M240G Teams (a MG Sqd) and 2x SMAW Teams (an Assault Sqd) to each of the three Rifle Platoon, with the three company 60mm mortars in GS. 0351 SMAW Gunners are also cross trained in demolitions/engineer work. Not cross trained to the point of MOS proficiency, but in a pinch they are the ones designated to conduct such tasks.
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I haven't heard anything about a 2 fire team squad but the 13 man squad is sacred man!
A couple of years ago I read a book by Polger called "Dead Ground" I believe. It was about modern US infantry with case studies, theory and all that. Even as an Army officer he had to admit the value of the 13 man USMC squad; which is very hard for an army dog to do. Overall his comments on the USMC approach to light infantry was quite flattering.
I was only in a track for an AT I did as a reservist (I left active reserves after that AT but that is another story) and if I recall we had 2 squads per vehicle. However these were reservist squads so I think there were only 20 or so of us and were were piled on top of one another.
Anti- tank assets in LAR were limited to the smaw and the LAV-AT though we had a cackling mad man from the mountains of Colorado who knew everything there was to know about making shaped charges and such and we were thoroughly trained in close assaulting armor with them.
A couple of years ago I read a book by Polger called "Dead Ground" I believe. It was about modern US infantry with case studies, theory and all that. Even as an Army officer he had to admit the value of the 13 man USMC squad; which is very hard for an army dog to do. Overall his comments on the USMC approach to light infantry was quite flattering.
I was only in a track for an AT I did as a reservist (I left active reserves after that AT but that is another story) and if I recall we had 2 squads per vehicle. However these were reservist squads so I think there were only 20 or so of us and were were piled on top of one another.
Anti- tank assets in LAR were limited to the smaw and the LAV-AT though we had a cackling mad man from the mountains of Colorado who knew everything there was to know about making shaped charges and such and we were thoroughly trained in close assaulting armor with them.
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My experience riding in tracks was about 15-18 max. That would be a squad + maybe a weapons team (M240G or SMAW), or Corpsman, and/or part of the company command element.
In DS/DS it was 10 tracks per company, 3 per platoon and then the command element + dogs and cats.
I remember leaving a ship during The Basic School down at Little Creek and they stuffed 23 Lieutenants and all of our trash (it was a one way trip) into the back of one AAV-7. We were literally piled on top of one anonther, no one could move, that is until the engine fumes and motion of the swimming track got the first devildog sick.
In DS/DS it was 10 tracks per company, 3 per platoon and then the command element + dogs and cats.
I remember leaving a ship during The Basic School down at Little Creek and they stuffed 23 Lieutenants and all of our trash (it was a one way trip) into the back of one AAV-7. We were literally piled on top of one anonther, no one could move, that is until the engine fumes and motion of the swimming track got the first devildog sick.
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I was always skeptical of "stats" Such as AAVs carrying 25 "combat" troops. If they did they were all south Vietnamese. I always figured we would get a squad plus in there-and that still seems to get crowded.pmaidhof wrote:My experience riding in tracks was about 15-18 max. That would be a squad + maybe a weapons team (M240G or SMAW), or Corpsman, and/or part of the company command element.
In DS/DS it was 10 tracks per company, 3 per platoon and then the command element + dogs and cats.
I remember leaving a ship during The Basic School down at Little Creek and they stuffed 23 Lieutenants and all of our trash (it was a one way trip) into the back of one AAV-7. We were literally piled on top of one anonther, no one could move, that is until the engine fumes and motion of the swimming track got the first devildog sick.
John