GHQ Fennek

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:57 pm

Ben,

The book, booklet really, I have is from the Mini Color Series. It has a pretty good spread on the TPz-1 which is why I bought it. It only has a couple of pages on the Fennek dealing with the competition for the next recce vehicle. The French VBL and one other vehicle whose name escape me at the moment were competing against the Fennek and obviously the Fennek won.

Paul

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:01 pm

Hi Paul,

aah - I see it is the Concord title. The other vehicle was the Zobel (a nice one as well and amphibious).
I read that you want to build some vehicles with the optronic-mast in travelling mode, I have news on that:
Pit told me yesterday, that the optronic-mast is not visible in travelling condition. In fact the mast retracts totally and is covered by a hatch when not in use. He has some detail shots of that if I got him right. Hopefully he will post some...

Best greetings fom the Kraut

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:39 pm

Ben,

Thanks I was hoping to get confirmation that the mast stows completly inside the hull when not needed. I have seen some pictures with the Fennek driving around with no mast exposed and some driving with the mast just outside the hull but not fully raised. For my vehicles in travel mode I'm just not gluing the mast to the hull. Look forward to seeing some pictures from pit.

Yes, the Zobel! I thought that looked like a pretty cool design as well. What happened in the competition?

Paul

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:15 pm

Hi Paul,

I will "force"

Pit to post some of his photos.

The competition was a bit typical for the Germans...
I will try to explain

:
The first attempts to find a replacement for the in-service Recce vehicles were taking place during the cold-war (if I remember right). With changing demands the Zobel was regarded to be too complicated and too expensive. The VBL was dropped as it didn't meet the German Army needs. However the program was joined by the Netherlands, they didn't require amphibious capabilities and so on...
During the following process the Fennek was born and is now introduced in Germany and the Netherlands.

May this be of help,
Cheers Ben

pit · Post by **pit** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:30 am

so here are some pictures of the german Fennek.

At first with MG-3 and optronic-mast in storage/traveling position (inside).

2. with MG-3 and optronic-mast in normal position.

3. with AGL 40 mm and optronic-mast in high position and camo-kid.

4.with AGL 40 mm optronic-mast "went out" 1

5. with AGL 40 mm optronic-mast "went out" 2

6. top of Fennek with optronic-mast outside, mast-hatch open, hatch for the optronic-unit is closed.

best regards
pit

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:07 pm

Hi Pit,

schÃ¶ne Bilder!! Bist Du etwa in Munster auf dem Fennek rumgeklettert

, das ist doch nicht erlaubt

- oder

...

Beste GrÃ¼ÃŸe,
Ben

shawno · Post by **shawno** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:33 am

Does anyone know of other uses for the Fennek, could they be a viable replacement for a humvee as a transport for liason personnel, internally, could they be reconfigured to carry more troops? I've read that it has a crew of 3, but if the surv mast and gear were removed, could a 4th person be fit?

I've never been inside the vehicle, as you can tell.

pit · Post by **pit** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:39 pm

I wrote:

But the Fennek is also used as
Artillery observer (Germany)
Joint fire support team (in development for germany)
Command and operations vehicle (in service with Dutch and german pioneers)
Dutch MRAT (medium-range anti-tank) variant,
Fennek with Stinger SAM for the Dutch Forces.

Maybe you can put a seat more in this vehicle.
But this vehicle isnÂ´t developed for troop-transport.
If you need a wheeld-vehicle for troops (which is mineprotected) the german army use the Dingo1 or Dingo2 vehicles.

A Dingo1:

so long
pit

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:29 pm

Hi all,

I am not 100% sure but if I remember right the Netherlands have plans for a Fennek version which for example is intended for stuff like convoy escort.

Have to look for detailed info if required.

Cheers Ben

pit · Post by **pit** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:27 pm

Hi,
Ben is right.
It is the Command and operations vehicle (in service with Dutch and german pioneers).
Or Fennek AD (Allgemeiner Diienst = general service) this vehicles hasnÂ´t an optronic-mast.

best regards
florian

pit · Post by **pit** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:27 pm

Hi,
Ben is right.
It is the Command and operations vehicle (in service with Dutch and german pioneers).
Or Fennek AD (Allgemeiner Diienst = general service) this vehicles hasnÂ´t an optronic-mast.

best regards
florian

pit · Post by **pit** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:12 pm

Hi all,

thats a picture of the Fennek AD (netherlands).
You can see the storagebox instat of the optronic-mast.

av8rmongo · Post by **av8rmongo** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:36 pm

Ben and Pit,

Thank you for the additional info. Now I'll have to get another batch of vehicles for my NL force.

Paul

shawno · Post by **shawno** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:39 am

Yea,

heres another photo...sorta what I envisioned.

Cav Dog · Post by **Cav Dog** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:21 am

I hope the Germans and/or the Dutch don't get into a scrap with anybody using the BRDM 2. They look very similar...