April 2010 New Releases

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Thu May 13, 2010 3:31 am

Oh, I see. Yeah, I thought I read that somewhere but couldn't remember where. Thank you.

Theodore · Post by **Theodore** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:18 am

Belisarius wrote:
Timothy OConnor wrote:The families of 4,397 American service men and women would probably disagree with you.
Yes, the families of those might disagree with me, but those t-shirt wearing, masked insurgents still don't now what they're doing (as far as not losing their own forces in a roughly 20:1 ratio). The estimated insurgent death toll is approaching 100,000. How does that compare to 4,397? Also, just over 1,000 of those deaths occured from enemy fire. The rest were IEDs, accidents, suicides, and friendly fire. Maybe GHQ should make an IED pack?
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I bet if OIF was fought like WWII, it would've taken maybe 1-2 months and we'd be busy figuring out what parts of the country get divided amongst the US, UK, Poland, and the other coalition forces.

I've seen estimates of civilian or total casualties approaching 100,000 but Insurgent casualties are estimated at around 23,000 but one study says it is 55,000

It is not just US casualties you need to look at to compare.
Iraqi allies 11,500 (new Iraqi police and army)
US 4400
Coalition 320
Contractors 1350
So almost 18,000 total allied killed in action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

So likely a KIA ration of 1.3 to 1 rather than 20 to 1. At most 3 to 1.

Plus with that many casualties surely there is some real fighting going on, not just an IED or a skirmish. While an IED pack may not be necessary, GHQ makes several MRAPs and an IED clearance vehicle to fight IEDs that no one would ever want to game.

Clearly Iraq is not close to WWII, so everyone needs to recognize that if they want to represent modern warfare then it requires having insurgents to fight cause Fuldagapistan is not going to happen.

thetourist · Post by **thetourist** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:55 am

We're getting dangerously close to getting political. Something we've managed to avoid for the life of this board. I think the board has managed to stay civil because of it. My two cents.

Mk 1 · Post by **Mk 1** » Thu May 13, 2010 6:02 am

Yeah, these yahoos probably shot each other. Just after they gunned down some innocent civilians.

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Turk · Post by **Turk** » Thu May 13, 2010 9:05 am

Well, to get back on the April 2010 releases, I got my 'regulars' on Monday and I am happy with them. These packs fill a lot of holes in modern forces. Hopefully we'll see some of the vehicles made by other smaller countries to go along with these... (someday).

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Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Thu May 13, 2010 10:09 am

"Thaat's funny that someone else decided to do Brushfire Warriors as Soviet Airborne!"

Looking for something to use for my VDV forces. How many figs in the Brush Fire pack and its accompany Hvy Weps pack have the berets?

thetourist · Post by **thetourist** » Thu May 13, 2010 5:15 pm

I'd say about 7 or 8 out of ten figs. I only have the inf and not the hvy weapons and I got about fifteen stands out of one package (3 to a stand). I think they turned out great!

Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Thu May 13, 2010 10:15 pm

thetourist wrote:I'd say about 7 or 8 out of ten figs. I only have the inf and not the hvy weapons and I got about fifteen stands out of one package (3 to a stand). I think they turned out great!

Hmm, sounds a good solution to the lack of "real" Russian AB figs. Thanks.

Gort · Post by **Gort** » Fri May 14, 2010 1:02 am

PL71

Here's the breakdown of the Brushfire Warriors packs :

BRUSHFIRE WARRIORS :

1x "A" sprue : 3x kneeling leader w/beret
5x kneeling RPG w/cap
4x "B" sprue : 6x advancing AK47 w/beret
3x throwing grenade w/beret
3x "C" sprue : 9x advancing AK47 w/cap

Total 39 beret + 32 cap

BRUSHFIRE WEAPONS :

2x "A" sprue : 3x kneeling leader w/beret
5x kneeling RPG w/cap
2x "D" sprue : 3x mortars
6x mortar crewman w/beret
4x "E" sprue : 5x prone LMG w/cap
4x tripod MG w/2 man crew w/beret

Total 50 beret + 30 cap

Cheers

(huh, can't figure out why that didn't format)

Panzerleader71 · Post by **Panzerleader71** » Fri May 14, 2010 1:25 am

Hey Gort,

Thanks. When I get around to expanding my VDV unit I think I will use these guys.